UK-EU Trade Deal, non political legal discussion
Discussion
Here is the Trade Deal.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Debate about Brexit, and about whether the deal is good, bad, or indifferent can rage on in NPE, but if you are interested in international law, this might be a place to discuss the legal content and effect of the deal without political angles.
The deal is, based on a quick shufty, written in fairly clear language (but I say that not having read the most techy bits, which may or may not require brain spanners).
The deal is to be interpreted according to the customary principles of public international law. Note that an interpretation by a UK Court will not bind an EU Court, and vice versa.
Disputes between the UK and the EU can be referred to an arbitration tribunal.
UK lawyers who specialised in EU law should, if they have not already done so (most have) (a) get qualified in Ireland, (b) bone up on UK Competition Law, and (c) convert themselves into intra-state arbitration lawyers.
Note that in many areas of economic activity, the parties have agreed to have similar rules, such being a basis for trade.
(Cue "Brexit is ace, yay freeeeeeeedom" and " Brexit sucks, shove yer blue passport up yer wazzoo" in 3, 2, 1 ...)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Debate about Brexit, and about whether the deal is good, bad, or indifferent can rage on in NPE, but if you are interested in international law, this might be a place to discuss the legal content and effect of the deal without political angles.
The deal is, based on a quick shufty, written in fairly clear language (but I say that not having read the most techy bits, which may or may not require brain spanners).
The deal is to be interpreted according to the customary principles of public international law. Note that an interpretation by a UK Court will not bind an EU Court, and vice versa.
Disputes between the UK and the EU can be referred to an arbitration tribunal.
UK lawyers who specialised in EU law should, if they have not already done so (most have) (a) get qualified in Ireland, (b) bone up on UK Competition Law, and (c) convert themselves into intra-state arbitration lawyers.
Note that in many areas of economic activity, the parties have agreed to have similar rules, such being a basis for trade.
(Cue "Brexit is ace, yay freeeeeeeedom" and " Brexit sucks, shove yer blue passport up yer wazzoo" in 3, 2, 1 ...)
Thanks BV
I'm particularly interested in the temporary access for work purposes and the provision of services agreements, so will have a good look at that.
It seems, from reading IoG document you linked, that although though there's an agreement for up to 90 days of business visits in each 180 days some member states have opt-outs, so that will be interesting to delve into. I'll do some digging...
I'm particularly interested in the temporary access for work purposes and the provision of services agreements, so will have a good look at that.
It seems, from reading IoG document you linked, that although though there's an agreement for up to 90 days of business visits in each 180 days some member states have opt-outs, so that will be interesting to delve into. I'll do some digging...
PorkInsider said:
Thanks BV
I'm particularly interested in the temporary access for work purposes and the provision of services agreements, so will have a good look at that.
In general if you are employed in the UK you will be able to travel to the EU to have meetings and the like.I'm particularly interested in the temporary access for work purposes and the provision of services agreements, so will have a good look at that.
It's more complex than that obviously and here is a basic list of the exemptions.
JeffreyD said:
In general if you are employed in the UK you will be able to travel to the EU to have meetings and the like.
It's more complex than that obviously and here is a basic list of the exemptions.
Thanks, it's the more complex bits I need to look at.It's more complex than that obviously and here is a basic list of the exemptions.
The basic agreement doesn't seem to cover much if anything in the way of providing consultancy services, or similar.
But even so, the 90-days limit may also come into play for us depending on what business we win in Europe now anyway. The agreement appears to be 90 days across all member states, so 7 weeks in Germany and 6 weeks in Italy would exceed it.
Not too much of a problem if it's decent lumps of work, but if the limit is reached it looks like each subsequent trip - even single days - will need a permit.
The business I help run sends a lot to Europe; do we need to fill in CN22s and zero-rate VAT like we do for the USA etc?
I’ll of course have to familiarise myself in much more depth with it all, but I’m in day 4 of endless mince pies and brandy so a quick idea of the nightmare I’ll be dealing with on the 4th will be handy!
I’ll of course have to familiarise myself in much more depth with it all, but I’m in day 4 of endless mince pies and brandy so a quick idea of the nightmare I’ll be dealing with on the 4th will be handy!
mattyprice4004 said:
The business I help run sends a lot to Europe; do we need to fill in CN22s and zero-rate VAT like we do for the USA etc?
I’ll of course have to familiarise myself in much more depth with it all, but I’m in day 4 of endless mince pies and brandy so a quick idea of the nightmare I’ll be dealing with on the 4th will be handy!
Sounds like it. Although there is a trade agreement, we are no longer members of the borderless market. My understanding (and I might be wrong) is you will need appropriate paperwork to enter the EU with your goods, but won't require things like a Carnet to travel from say France to Italy. Paperwork into EU at point of entry only. Because there are no internal customs posts any more.I’ll of course have to familiarise myself in much more depth with it all, but I’m in day 4 of endless mince pies and brandy so a quick idea of the nightmare I’ll be dealing with on the 4th will be handy!
I'm interested in buying a ropey old alfa from Malta and driving it back to Cornwall so I'm interested in understanding the extra hoops and costs.
Admittedly, this won't be for a while, so whatever is current now will probably change.
Business wise we drew a line under running the trucks to the EU a while ago and in all honesty I don't miss it, the costs and the extra paperwork and that was before brexit!
Admittedly, this won't be for a while, so whatever is current now will probably change.
Business wise we drew a line under running the trucks to the EU a while ago and in all honesty I don't miss it, the costs and the extra paperwork and that was before brexit!
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