Do I legally own an allocated parking space?
Do I legally own an allocated parking space?
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R0G

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184 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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There is a large tarmac car park without any lines etc on it which is surrounded by houses apart from the entrance to it of course
On many of the house deeds surrounding it there is the wording - allocated parking space - and a dotted line on the house plans showing roughly where that space is in the car park
There are no measurements on the plans

So the question
Do any of the home owners legally own any part of the big tarmac area?

un1corn

2,143 posts

166 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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I'd say so, if it's in the deeds and marked out.

Houses can own land such as alotments that might not be direct next to it and they will be in deeds.

Ussrcossack

1,102 posts

71 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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You probably own it lease hold.

There will be covernents on the space too , so for instance you wouldn't be able to errect a garage

blueg33

46,393 posts

253 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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Simple answer - do your title documents show it edged red

If so you almost certainly have a freehold or long lease (lease most likely on flats).

Biker 1

8,566 posts

148 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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Register on the official Land Registry website, then download title deeds & also map. I think both are priced at £3 each.
Beware, there are several sites claiming to do this for you at hiked prices.
This is the official one: https://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/eservices/Fi...

R0G

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184 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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blueg33 said:
Simple answer - do your title documents show it edged red

If so you almost certainly have a freehold or long lease (lease most likely on flats).
How do you exactly know which bit of the unmarked tarmac it is because the deeds give no measurements?

98elise

32,539 posts

190 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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R0G said:
blueg33 said:
Simple answer - do your title documents show it edged red

If so you almost certainly have a freehold or long lease (lease most likely on flats).
How do you exactly know which bit of the unmarked tarmac it is because the deeds give no measurements?
Deeds don't show any measurements.

I have a parking space and a garage. Both are marked red. Can you work out roughy where yours is based on the number of spaces from a landmark?




Edited by 98elise on Friday 22 January 16:34

Biker 1

8,566 posts

148 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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R0G said:
How do you exactly know which bit of the unmarked tarmac it is because the deeds give no measurements?
Almost impossible. Many Land Registry plans are at scales of 1:1250 or 1:2500, so the thickness of the red outline can sometimes scale at over 1 metre(!!!) Car parking spaces, as far as I know, are normally 5 x 2.5m.
Boundary disputes can get VERY tricky, which is partly why they use such thick red crayons & no measurements.....

blueg33

46,393 posts

253 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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Let me have the address and I can show you how all the titles interlock using Landinsight I can scale from it too

Heaveho

7,445 posts

203 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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R0G said:
There is a large tarmac car park without any lines etc on it which is surrounded by houses apart from the entrance to it of course
On many of the house deeds surrounding it there is the wording - allocated parking space - and a dotted line on the house plans showing roughly where that space is in the car park
There are no measurements on the plans

So the question
Do any of the home owners legally own any part of the big tarmac area?
I'm in a slightly different situation to yours, but similar. If, as you say, the space is mentioned specifically in the deeds, as it is in mine, then you should own a part of the car park. In mine the spaces are marked. Are there any signs to say the car park is private?

blueg33

46,393 posts

253 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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Biker 1 said:
Almost impossible. Many Land Registry plans are at scales of 1:1250 or 1:2500, so the thickness of the red outline can sometimes scale at over 1 metre(!!!) Car parking spaces, as far as I know, are normally 5 x 2.5m.
Boundary disputes can get VERY tricky, which is partly why they use such thick red crayons & no measurements.....
If the plan is correctly drawn, and many on LR are there days, the thickness of the line doesn’t matter. The outside edge of the line is the boundary.

If you have access to the professional LR gateway or Landinsight, you can look at a map showing all of the titles and how they interlock. Compare with reality and they are surprisingly accurate.


R0G

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Saturday 23rd January 2021
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Heaveho said:
I'm in a slightly different situation to yours, but similar. If, as you say, the space is mentioned specifically in the deeds, as it is in mine, then you should own a part of the car park. In mine the spaces are marked. Are there any signs to say the car park is private?
Np signs
Builders owned it for first 10 years - council did not adopt it

blueg33

46,393 posts

253 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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I will upload a Landinsight extract after brekkie

The Mad Monk

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146 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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blueg33 said:
I will upload a Landinsight extract after brekkie
It's turned 8:30 now!

What time do you have breakfast?

blueg33

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253 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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The Mad Monk said:
blueg33 said:
I will upload a Landinsight extract after brekkie
It's turned 8:30 now!

What time do you have breakfast?
Just logged in to landinsight - the butler overslept so breakfast was delayed

blueg33

46,393 posts

253 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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Yes each space is part of a title as shown/ The blue lines delineate registered titles, green shading is where I have selected a space and it shows the rest of the title


R0G

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Saturday 23rd January 2021
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blueg33 said:
Yes each space is part of a title as shown/ The blue lines delineate registered titles, green shading is where I have selected a space and it shows the rest of the title

where exactly are the spaces on the tarmac as there are no measurements for that space anywhere?

Does the word ALLOTTED mean the home owner can park in a space nut they do not legally own that space?

Who owns the tarmac where no spaces are marked?

There is nothing in the deeds which answers any of the above

blueg33

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253 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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R0G said:
blueg33 said:
Yes each space is part of a title as shown/ The blue lines delineate registered titles, green shading is where I have selected a space and it shows the rest of the title

where exactly are the spaces on the tarmac as there are no measurements for that space anywhere?

Does the word ALLOTTED mean the home owner can park in a space nut they do not legally own that space?

Who owns the tarmac where no spaces are marked?

There is nothing in the deeds which answers any of the above
I didnt take dimensions off land insight, but I can. Which is your space? The title doesn't necessarily need to describe it, if the red line on the title plan includes the space it is your property. You then need to look at the rights and restrictions on the title. If the title is silent on these matters, then other using the space are trespassing. If you have allowed them to use it for too long they may have prescriptive rights

R0G

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Saturday 23rd January 2021
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House numbers 1 to 12 are all claiming they have allotted spaces in that car park
Only number 9 has a marked area

blueg33

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253 months

Saturday 23rd January 2021
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I have (badly) marked who owns what. Ie blue on space owned by house marked blue etc