Full Moped licence
Discussion
When I passed my car test in 1982 I was also given a full moped entitlement. I assumed this meant I could ride a bike under 50cc without L plates and carry a pillion if I so desired. I've never really used it, save for a few years ago I commuted for a while on a cheap scoot I picked up. Insured it as full Moped licence, no L plates and never had any hassle.
Is that still the law? For example my 17yo son passes his car test and can ditch the L plates on his scooter and not need to redo his CBT every two years?
Seems a little odd giving people two wheeled entitlement (albeit only a 50cc) for driving a car competently.
Is that still the law? For example my 17yo son passes his car test and can ditch the L plates on his scooter and not need to redo his CBT every two years?
Seems a little odd giving people two wheeled entitlement (albeit only a 50cc) for driving a car competently.
Probably easier to look on the government website, but I've done the 'hard work' for you.
From UK Gov Website
If you have a car driving licence
You can ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates and without taking the moped test in some situations.
You passed your driving test on or after 1 February 2001
You’ll get a full moped licence if you either:
pass your car driving test and then complete a compulsory basic training (CBT) course
complete a CBT course and then pass your car driving test within two years
You can then ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates. You do not need to take the full moped test.
You can ride mopeds for as long as your car driving licence lasts.
From UK Gov Website
If you have a car driving licence
You can ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates and without taking the moped test in some situations.
You passed your driving test on or after 1 February 2001
You’ll get a full moped licence if you either:
pass your car driving test and then complete a compulsory basic training (CBT) course
complete a CBT course and then pass your car driving test within two years
You can then ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates. You do not need to take the full moped test.
You can ride mopeds for as long as your car driving licence lasts.
Tyre Smoke said:
Got it. He already took his CBT when he turned 16 to ride the ped.
So as long as he passes his car test before the CBT runs out, he can ditch the L plates and presumably carry a passenger (quicker to walk alongside
)?
I had a CB50. It really was quicker waking. Top speed 25mph. So as long as he passes his car test before the CBT runs out, he can ditch the L plates and presumably carry a passenger (quicker to walk alongside
)?bongtom said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Got it. He already took his CBT when he turned 16 to ride the ped.
So as long as he passes his car test before the CBT runs out, he can ditch the L plates and presumably carry a passenger (quicker to walk alongside )?
I had a CB50. It really was quicker waking. Top speed 25mph. So as long as he passes his car test before the CBT runs out, he can ditch the L plates and presumably carry a passenger (quicker to walk alongside
)?Tyre Smoke said:
To be fair this is a dodgy Chinese import that I bought with no paperwork, one of those Saturday night after the pub ebay jobs, £60 or something. Got it SVA'd or whatever the bike equivalent was and its on a Q plate. Followed him the other day, it easily does 50 on the flat.
Yeah but legally it must be limited to 28mph. The chances of being stopped are almost nil, but a lad tearing round on a Q plated moped at 40+mph attracts attention. Your average panda car will not bat an eyelid, but a traffic plod with nothing else to do and it's opening up a world of pain.
You could tell him to calm it, and not go over 35 to avoid standing out... but if I was 17 again and my dad told me to not go over 30 or so on a moped I could rag around, would I listen? Not. a. chance.
He *will* ride it as fast as it can go. Everywhere.
The problem is that bike licences are so punishing on young people. The obvious suggestion is to get a bike licence and get a proper bike, but as his age even doing the tests he will only be able to use a 125cc bike, then another test at 19, and again at 21, despite being able to drive a Veyron right now.
https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-cate...
Tyre Smoke said:
I don't understand.
I'm not advocating or suggesting doing anything illegal here.
If he passes his car test he can legally remove the L plates from his scooter..
If he passes his car test he can legally remove the L plates from a moped, but not necessarily a scooter. Riding a scooter that doesn't meet the criteria for a moped (going 50mph for example) on a moped licence would be illegal. I'm not advocating or suggesting doing anything illegal here.
If he passes his car test he can legally remove the L plates from his scooter..
Taking the L plates off a 50cc scooter would also attract attention, I've been pulled over commuting on a 125cc motorbike for not having L plates (while riding on a full licence), police see a small bike and assume learner. If during that stop it's discovered that the bike isn't a moped and the licence and insurance are no longer valid that's quite a lot of hassle.
donteatpeople said:
Tyre Smoke said:
I don't understand.
I'm not advocating or suggesting doing anything illegal here.
If he passes his car test he can legally remove the L plates from his scooter..
If he passes his car test he can legally remove the L plates from a moped, but not necessarily a scooter. Riding a scooter that doesn't meet the criteria for a moped (going 50mph for example) on a moped licence would be illegal. I'm not advocating or suggesting doing anything illegal here.
If he passes his car test he can legally remove the L plates from his scooter..
Taking the L plates off a 50cc scooter would also attract attention, I've been pulled over commuting on a 125cc motorbike for not having L plates (while riding on a full licence), police see a small bike and assume learner. If during that stop it's discovered that the bike isn't a moped and the licence and insurance are no longer valid that's quite a lot of hassle.
NickCQ said:
Tyre Smoke said:
That isn't going to happen.
Maybe this is the moment to teach the 17 yo that the law does apply to him, rather than passing on the attitude of "just risk it, you'll probably be fine"?I don’t think it is appropriate to teach a 17 year old that breaking the law is fine as long as you don’t get caught.
Tyre Smoke said:
What?
The scooter has been in our family for years. Nobody has ever been stopped on it and I seriously doubt anyone will.
Stop trying to make out we are a family of serial law breakers and n'er do wells.
Talk about a bunch of self important judgemental pompous arses! Chill out ffs.
You might want to consider the insurance implications, if you insure it as a Moped, and your son is involved in an accident, and it is determined it isnt restricted and therefore not a Moped, your son may find he isnt insured, and could be prosecuted accordingly.The scooter has been in our family for years. Nobody has ever been stopped on it and I seriously doubt anyone will.
Stop trying to make out we are a family of serial law breakers and n'er do wells.
Talk about a bunch of self important judgemental pompous arses! Chill out ffs.
Also if you insure it as a scooter, and your son gets stopped and they try to prosecute him for driving otherwise in accordance with a licence, then you may find it hard to argue that you thought it was a scooter.
Would it not be easier to keep the L plates on.
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