Multiple driving offences…
Discussion
Question for the people who are actually Police and deal with these scenarios or those in the know.
I know someone who has been riding bikes for a long long time off road and on private land etc. They have now decided to do their full test and so far passed the CBT and currently riding an L plated 125. However I see they have bought a bigger bike recently and I know them well enough to know they will gamble on riding the bigger bike until their test date in 4 months time. Tbf I’ve ridden bikes for 30 years and have never been stopped so the odds are well in their favour !
My curiosity has kicked in and wondered a couple of things, it looks like a Driving otherwise in accordance of a licence which is a max £1000 fine and 3-6 points. My wondering though is will they also get done for no insurance and get the 6 points for that potentially giving them a totting up ban ? I would guess they would insure the bike online stating the have a full licence.
No I don’t give a flying fig what they do, yes I will mind my own business, no I won’t be shopping them in IF they go down the route I’m almost certain they will. I just wondered what the potential outcome could be.
Ps, it really isn’t me and thankfully have the appropriate licence to ride whatever a bloody like
I know someone who has been riding bikes for a long long time off road and on private land etc. They have now decided to do their full test and so far passed the CBT and currently riding an L plated 125. However I see they have bought a bigger bike recently and I know them well enough to know they will gamble on riding the bigger bike until their test date in 4 months time. Tbf I’ve ridden bikes for 30 years and have never been stopped so the odds are well in their favour !
My curiosity has kicked in and wondered a couple of things, it looks like a Driving otherwise in accordance of a licence which is a max £1000 fine and 3-6 points. My wondering though is will they also get done for no insurance and get the 6 points for that potentially giving them a totting up ban ? I would guess they would insure the bike online stating the have a full licence.
No I don’t give a flying fig what they do, yes I will mind my own business, no I won’t be shopping them in IF they go down the route I’m almost certain they will. I just wondered what the potential outcome could be.
Ps, it really isn’t me and thankfully have the appropriate licence to ride whatever a bloody like
Its mental just how much how the bike you ride affects how often you get a tug. Allegedly someone was riding a £100 xs400 to school, to work, into town for a scoot around looking at fanny, country road blasts, out every day doing thousands of miles over the 2 years without a second glance from plod from age 14 to 16. Never an attempt at a tug so no need to evade. At age 16, same style of riding, screwing the nut, same helmet and leathers but on a legal nearly new dt50 with insurance, tax, test, cbt then passed the test. Tug every week, always a stinking attitude.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
fastbikes76 said:
Question for the people who are actually Police and deal with these scenarios or those in the know.
I know someone who has been riding bikes for a long long time off road and on private land etc. They have now decided to do their full test and so far passed the CBT and currently riding an L plated 125. However I see they have bought a bigger bike recently and I know them well enough to know they will gamble on riding the bigger bike until their test date in 4 months time. Tbf I’ve ridden bikes for 30 years and have never been stopped so the odds are well in their favour !
My curiosity has kicked in and wondered a couple of things, it looks like a Driving otherwise in accordance of a licence which is a max £1000 fine and 3-6 points. My wondering though is will they also get done for no insurance and get the 6 points for that potentially giving them a totting up ban ? I would guess they would insure the bike online stating the have a full licence.
No I don’t give a flying fig what they do, yes I will mind my own business, no I won’t be shopping them in IF they go down the route I’m almost certain they will. I just wondered what the potential outcome could be.
Ps, it really isn’t me and thankfully have the appropriate licence to ride whatever a bloody like
If they are stopped they’ll get dealt with for driving otherwise in accordance of a licence. £100 fine and three points if even a FPN. I know someone who has been riding bikes for a long long time off road and on private land etc. They have now decided to do their full test and so far passed the CBT and currently riding an L plated 125. However I see they have bought a bigger bike recently and I know them well enough to know they will gamble on riding the bigger bike until their test date in 4 months time. Tbf I’ve ridden bikes for 30 years and have never been stopped so the odds are well in their favour !
My curiosity has kicked in and wondered a couple of things, it looks like a Driving otherwise in accordance of a licence which is a max £1000 fine and 3-6 points. My wondering though is will they also get done for no insurance and get the 6 points for that potentially giving them a totting up ban ? I would guess they would insure the bike online stating the have a full licence.
No I don’t give a flying fig what they do, yes I will mind my own business, no I won’t be shopping them in IF they go down the route I’m almost certain they will. I just wondered what the potential outcome could be.
Ps, it really isn’t me and thankfully have the appropriate licence to ride whatever a bloody like
If they have no insurance it will be off to court as can’t get two endorsable FPNs for the same stop. From my experience it they’ll deal with the no insurance and not give any extra points for the licence offence.
If they say they’ve got a full licence and commit insurance fraud then it’s a lot harder to say. But there will possibly be another conviction that they’ll have to declare.
I can’t imagine that insurance companies will be too willing to insure someone with those offences in record.
It'll be summons to court if it's multiple endorsable offences.
Then down to the magistrates to decide upon points and a fine.
Then it'll be a case of having to get specialist or incredibly expensive insurance.
From personal experience I used to be reluctant to stop bikes in case they failed to stop and then injured themselves and I'd get the blame because some how it's my fault if they make the conscious decision to break the law, regardless of if I pursued them or not.
Which is probably the same feeling across large numbers of the police, luckily, in certain areas it's swinging back the right way.
Then down to the magistrates to decide upon points and a fine.
Then it'll be a case of having to get specialist or incredibly expensive insurance.
From personal experience I used to be reluctant to stop bikes in case they failed to stop and then injured themselves and I'd get the blame because some how it's my fault if they make the conscious decision to break the law, regardless of if I pursued them or not.
Which is probably the same feeling across large numbers of the police, luckily, in certain areas it's swinging back the right way.
R0G said:
Only the highest points offence gets counted
Example
4 illegal tyres is 3 points per tyre
12 gets put on the licence
only 3 points count for the totting up
Unless the court decided to disregard the sentencing legislation (as is their right, but most unlikely), just 3 points would be attributed to 4 same occasion tyre offences, not 12.Example
4 illegal tyres is 3 points per tyre
12 gets put on the licence
only 3 points count for the totting up
R0G said:
Only the highest points offence gets counted
Example
4 illegal tyres is 3 points per tyre
12 gets put on the licence
only 3 points count for the totting up
This is not quite how it works, there are no magic non-totting points issued. Example
4 illegal tyres is 3 points per tyre
12 gets put on the licence
only 3 points count for the totting up
If a person is convicted of multiple endorsable offences which were committed at the same time then they will normally only receive points for the most serious of the offences.
RTOA 1988 s28 said:
(4) Where a person is convicted (whether on the same occasion or not) of two or more offences committed on the same occasion and involving obligatory endorsement, the total number of penalty points to be attributed to them is the number or highest number that would be attributed on a conviction of one of them (so that if the convictions are on different occasions the number of penalty points to be attributed to the offences on the later occasion or occasions shall be restricted accordingly).
The court can decide to give points for multiple offences committed at the same time but if it does it has to give the reasons for why it is doing so. If points are issued for more than one offence then they will all count for totting. Cat
I don’t care where it came from. That info was incredibly wrong.
£500 to a charity of your choice if I’m wrong and you’re right. Good luck.
Specifically, this utter garbage:
“ Only the highest points offence gets counted
Example
4 illegal tyres is 3 points per tyre
12 gets put on the licence
only 3 points count for the totting up”
I’m aware that we’ve had this discussion before and you’ve failed learn from it. Your ‘authority’ last time was an MP. LOOOOOOOOOL!
SS2. said:
Maybe what they were saying was misinterpreted.
If correctly communicated to him then it was, unfortunately, misunderstood by R0G - who regularly posts misinformation. R0G, a driving instructor(?), doesn’t understand the difference between endorsements and penalty points. He wrongly thinks an endorsement is the application of penalty points that don’t count for totting up purposes. Utterly bizarre thinking.
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