OZ Assaulting female officer
Discussion
ED209 said:
What the hell is the second cop doing? Nobody will ever want to work with her again. Total liability
Objectively: It's a fairly short clip, but if she's just been punched and doesn't think she has the physical strength to restrain him then the spray was effective and swiftly stopped the attack.It looks like she backs away after spraying but I doubt diving headfirst into your own pepper spray cloud is a good idea.
meatballs said:
Objectively: It's a fairly short clip, but if she's just been punched and doesn't think she has the physical strength to restrain him then the spray was effective and swiftly stopped the attack.
It looks like she backs away after spraying but I doubt diving headfirst into your own pepper spray cloud is a good idea.
It’s not a great idea but I have done it a few times when it’s being necessary. You can’t just leave a colleague to get chinned like that It looks like she backs away after spraying but I doubt diving headfirst into your own pepper spray cloud is a good idea.
ED209 said:
meatballs said:
Objectively: It's a fairly short clip, but if she's just been punched and doesn't think she has the physical strength to restrain him then the spray was effective and swiftly stopped the attack.
It looks like she backs away after spraying but I doubt diving headfirst into your own pepper spray cloud is a good idea.
It’s not a great idea but I have done it a few times when it’s being necessary. You can’t just leave a colleague to get chinned like that It looks like she backs away after spraying but I doubt diving headfirst into your own pepper spray cloud is a good idea.
ED209 said:
meatballs said:
Objectively: It's a fairly short clip, but if she's just been punched and doesn't think she has the physical strength to restrain him then the spray was effective and swiftly stopped the attack.
It looks like she backs away after spraying but I doubt diving headfirst into your own pepper spray cloud is a good idea.
It’s not a great idea but I have done it a few times when it’s being necessary. You can’t just leave a colleague to get chinned like that It looks like she backs away after spraying but I doubt diving headfirst into your own pepper spray cloud is a good idea.
Dark Star said:
Second officer was useless and will be the talk of her station.
Someone will say something and she will then become the victim and most probably get promoted on the back of it.
Let’s hope the first officer has no long term issues other than with her obo.
She had already been attacked by the man, she ended up in hospital with injuries herselfSomeone will say something and she will then become the victim and most probably get promoted on the back of it.
Let’s hope the first officer has no long term issues other than with her obo.
It proved a couple of points that clearly their training wasn't particularly realistic and the the officer who was stumbling, clearly had limited skills and wasn't willing to use the force needed where a man is fighting a woman.
They can consider themselves very lucky the ahole wasn't intend on doing serious harm because he had plenty of opportunities.
I see it time and time again, Police hands in pockets talking to some scumbag or where they put their hands in the vest arm. The people the police are dealing with a often the most apt to attack so at least keep your hands up.
They can consider themselves very lucky the ahole wasn't intend on doing serious harm because he had plenty of opportunities.
I see it time and time again, Police hands in pockets talking to some scumbag or where they put their hands in the vest arm. The people the police are dealing with a often the most apt to attack so at least keep your hands up.
No one knows how they will react in such an incident. Even if they'd gone straight in and saved the day in a previous assault, that doesn't mean they'd behave the same way in subsequent incidents.
In the middle 70s and early 80s, I was on demonstrations/football hooligan duty almost every weekend I was on duty, sometimes both days. For 30 months, I was in my force's lead shield serial. I loved the high I got from them, and felt confident whatever the threat. Yet twice I got out of the van and froze. Others bumped into me.
There was no reason either time. They weren't particularly violent, nor were the briefings worrying, although both were viewed as probably violent (and were).
I have no idea why I froze those two times out of, probably, hundreds of similar occasions. They worried me at the time. i have since wondered if, had I mentioned it to others there, they would have said the same had happened to them. However, it doesn't matter.
It wasn't cowardice, it wasn't fear, it wasn't lack of concern for others. It was irresistable.
In the middle 70s and early 80s, I was on demonstrations/football hooligan duty almost every weekend I was on duty, sometimes both days. For 30 months, I was in my force's lead shield serial. I loved the high I got from them, and felt confident whatever the threat. Yet twice I got out of the van and froze. Others bumped into me.
There was no reason either time. They weren't particularly violent, nor were the briefings worrying, although both were viewed as probably violent (and were).
I have no idea why I froze those two times out of, probably, hundreds of similar occasions. They worried me at the time. i have since wondered if, had I mentioned it to others there, they would have said the same had happened to them. However, it doesn't matter.
It wasn't cowardice, it wasn't fear, it wasn't lack of concern for others. It was irresistable.
anonymous said:
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I thought at the time it might have been over-confidence, a sort of, 'been there, done it, got the box in came . . . Oh! s
t' sort of reaction. But I was normally a bit too gung ho in spontaneous incidents. 'Running in, head down, without thought' as a sergeant once put it. Quite accurately as well.I think your suggestion has a lot going for it, and not only because of brain fade. I was out of my force area both times and had little idea where we were supposed to go. Both times I 'came to' when I was bumped into.
Didn't happen again, much to my relief.
Thanks for that.
In the early 1990's when I did door work, it was like the wild west but I kept in touch with guys who still do it and it's got so much harder.
I genuinely feel sorry for the Police because looking at the video, I know I could end that in seconds, whether I was against the wall or as the second officer. Of course the same wise guy filming would be suddenly all Mr righteous if the scumbag had his ankle snapped or head run into the wall.
I know it is related to this video but the CPS seem very happy to try to find excessive use of force in every incident.
I genuinely feel sorry for the Police because looking at the video, I know I could end that in seconds, whether I was against the wall or as the second officer. Of course the same wise guy filming would be suddenly all Mr righteous if the scumbag had his ankle snapped or head run into the wall.
I know it is related to this video but the CPS seem very happy to try to find excessive use of force in every incident.
The Spruce Goose said:
DaveA8 said:
I know I could end that in seconds, .
I was more scared of the branch Manager in the Halifax building society who was the coldest person I've ever met, she told me in no uncertain terms that I have a few months to bring my mortgage up to date or I'd be out. It was either Friday/Saturday nights dealing with scumbags or Bed and Breakfast with a new baby.
It wasn't a hard choice
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