Return of Parts from Cloned car
Return of Parts from Cloned car
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IJWS15

2,203 posts

114 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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There is more to this that you are telling ang this isn't about cloning.

How did he get your parts? Perhaps you paid someone to do work on your car?

98elise

32,540 posts

190 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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neutral 3 said:
Without going into too much detail, after much detective work on my part, we were recently issued with the V5 for a classic vehicle and the person who perpetrated the fraud, had his V5 withdrawn and was issued with a Q plate. As far as I am aware, his Chassis / Vin and engine number will also have been cancelled.

However, the person concerned still has my engine and gear box. The car is a “ matching number “ car, ie the the Chassis and engine numbers are the same. Which obviously has considerable bearing on the cars value and provenance.
He knows that I want these parts back ( and I am willing to pay him for them ) but has made zero effort to contact me.

Anyone know what course of action I can take ?
Surely if he has your engine as part of a fraud then it's a matter for the police. You shouldn't be paying someone for you own engine/gearbox.

I'm assuming it's the Camaro 427 from your garage?

CoolHands

23,404 posts

224 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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Is this the same one from a thread yonks ago about someone giving some old shonker to a garage to repair etc then no contact for 5 years by either party or something stupid?

neutral 3

Original Poster:

8,540 posts

199 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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IJWS15 said:
There is more to this that you are telling ang this isn't about cloning.

How did he get your parts? Perhaps you paid someone to do work on your car?
Nope, you are wrong.

neutral 3

Original Poster:

8,540 posts

199 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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98elise said:
Surely if he has your engine as part of a fraud then it's a matter for the police. You shouldn't be paying someone for you own engine/gearbox.

I'm assuming it's the Camaro 427 from your garage?
No, it’s not.


Edited by neutral 3 on Friday 1st October 11:11

neutral 3

Original Poster:

8,540 posts

199 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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CoolHands said:
Is this the same one from a thread yonks ago about someone giving some old shonker to a garage to repair etc then no contact for 5 years by either party or something stupid?
No, it isn’t.

myvision

2,122 posts

165 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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Do you already own the engine and gearbox then?

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

260 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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Without going into too much detail is fine, and understandable. But no detail doesnt allow anyone to comment from a slightly informed position, and just creates circular threads.

steveo3002

11,201 posts

203 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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whats the full story

cloned is = i have a red car reg number abc , dodgy man also has red car and uses my reg number to fly under the radar - mine still retains all the parts it was sold with and never stolen ....just the other guy using my reg /maybe vin to invent another car

sound like youre talking stolen car

Edited by steveo3002 on Friday 1st October 11:53

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

64 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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There is more to this than is being said..... Full story please

Gareth79

9,020 posts

275 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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I think the only answer is: Speak to a solicitor, who you will be able to give all the detail to.

Willhire89

1,463 posts

234 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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It'll be the Capri - see here for previous thread of advice: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

neutral 3

Original Poster:

8,540 posts

199 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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Gareth79 said:
I think the only answer is: Speak to a solicitor, who you will be able to give all the detail to.
Thanks Gareth. We are contacting one now.

Countdown

49,343 posts

225 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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neutral 3 said:
Without going into too much detail, after much detective work on my part, we were recently issued with the V5 for a classic vehicle and the person who perpetrated the fraud, had his V5 withdrawn and was issued with a Q plate. As far as I am aware, his Chassis / Vin and engine number will also have been cancelled.

However, the person concerned still has my engine and gear box. The car is a “ matching number “ car, ie the the Chassis and engine numbers are the same. Which obviously has considerable bearing on the cars value and provenance.
He knows that I want these parts back ( and I am willing to pay him for them ) but has made zero effort to contact me.

Anyone know what course of action I can take ?
If they're YOUR engine and gearbox why would you countenance paying for them?

IANAL but it sounds like a Civil dispute rather than Criminal so the logical process would be

1. Strongly worded letter from your Solicitor
2. Take him to Court

Edited by Countdown on Friday 1st October 14:15

vonhosen

40,597 posts

246 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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Countdown said:
neutral 3 said:
Without going into too much detail, after much detective work on my part, we were recently issued with the V5 for a classic vehicle and the person who perpetrated the fraud, had his V5 withdrawn and was issued with a Q plate. As far as I am aware, his Chassis / Vin and engine number will also have been cancelled.

However, the person concerned still has my engine and gear box. The car is a “ matching number “ car, ie the the Chassis and engine numbers are the same. Which obviously has considerable bearing on the cars value and provenance.
He knows that I want these parts back ( and I am willing to pay him for them ) but has made zero effort to contact me.

Anyone know what course of action I can take ?
If they're YOUR engine and gearbox why would you countenance paying for them?
Could be they were his & were stolen, but somebody else also has a legal claim on them now (say an innocent purchaser) but also has current possession of them.

Sebring440

3,203 posts

125 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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vonhosen said:
Could be they were his & were stolen, but somebody else also has a legal claim on them now (say an innocent purchaser) but also has current possession of them.
That's a very good deduction, but we'll never know, 'cos the OP will keep everything secret, just as he did on the original post (link above).

neutral 3

Original Poster:

8,540 posts

199 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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vonhosen said:
Could be they were his & were stolen, but somebody else also has a legal claim on them now (say an innocent purchaser) but also has current possession of them.
Nope. The only peeps who have legal claim are ourselves.


Edited by neutral 3 on Friday 1st October 19:37

gazza285

11,134 posts

237 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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IJWS15 said:
How did he get your parts?
How did he get your parts?

Drawweight

3,592 posts

145 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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I suggest you take some mates round.

Kill the offending parties, get your engine and gearbox back and burn their house to the ground.

Absurd? Maybe not not half as absurd as trying to get advice without disclosing anything which might be of possible help.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

246 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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neutral 3 said:
vonhosen said:
Could be they were his & were stolen, but somebody else also has a legal claim on them now (say an innocent purchaser) but also has current possession of them.
Nope. The only peeps who have legal claim are ourselves.
Well we are having to guess possible scenarios because you aren't saying anything & that's just one possible scenario for the question posed by somebody trying to work out what's going on.
I'm not going to go through every possible scenario/option for you to go....nope, nope to each.
You ask for help, but don't give any helpful info.
Get advice from someone you are willing to tell the story to.

Good luck.