Reasonable force
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The climate protestors continue to cause trouble. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-588960...
Can members of the public use reasonable force to move them. It says members of the public dragged them out of the way.
Can members of the public use reasonable force to move them. It says members of the public dragged them out of the way.
Dixy said:
The climate protestors continue to cause trouble. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-588960...
Can members of the public use reasonable force to move them. It says members of the public dragged them out of the way.
No that could be assault, using reasonable force to stop someone is acting in defence of yourself and / or others or your property, can't see where that would apply in these circumstances. Being late for something is hardly a threat to your well being. Seeing some of the footage last week of them being dragged out of the way to let an ambulance through I would be very surprised if some assault allegations don't rear the head with it all caught on cameraCan members of the public use reasonable force to move them. It says members of the public dragged them out of the way.
martinbiz said:
Dixy said:
The climate protestors continue to cause trouble. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-588960...
Can members of the public use reasonable force to move them. It says members of the public dragged them out of the way.
No that could be assault, using reasonable force to stop someone is acting in defence of yourself and / or others or your property, can't see where that would apply in these circumstances. Being late for something is hardly a threat to your well being. Seeing some of the footage last week of them being dragged out of the way to let an ambulance through I would be very surprised if some assault allegations don't rear the head with it all caught on cameraCan members of the public use reasonable force to move them. It says members of the public dragged them out of the way.
Sometime ago I remember members of the public dragging someone off a tube train roof. I wonder if anyone was charged with assault there. The trouble here I think is that there are police and camera crews all over as well as phone footage. Personally I would be very tempted to remove any obstacle if I could to gain a through path.
Could someone late for a meeting/appointment or say a flight sue the protester. I realise time and money to do this would probably not be viable but it would be tempting.
martinbiz said:
Seeing some of the footage last week of them being dragged out of the way to let an ambulance through I would be very surprised if some assault allegations don't rear the head with it all caught on camera
If that were to be the case, shame on those who would bring the allegations forward and support them ...Everyone is entitled to protest and have an opinion but IMHO not at the cost of preventing other people going about their legitimate business un-hindered.
This country has gone soft... seems like that if you have a difference of opinion to someone else you will either get shouted down or get accused of being some sort of "ist"...
Civil disobedience seems to be rampant with anything in regards to Global Warming or the climate.... and for whatever reason the media lap it up giving airtime to these self centred fools and hypocrites, while the police watch on helpless to do anything as they are fully aware that a board of enquiry will be set up to make scapegoats of officers who will be accused of being over zealous in carrying out their job should they do anything ....
Seesure said:
martinbiz said:
Seeing some of the footage last week of them being dragged out of the way to let an ambulance through I would be very surprised if some assault allegations don't rear the head with it all caught on camera
If that were to be the case, shame on those who would bring the allegations forward and support them ...Everyone is entitled to protest and have an opinion but IMHO not at the cost of preventing other people going about their legitimate business un-hindered.
This country has gone soft... seems like that if you have a difference of opinion to someone else you will either get shouted down or get accused of being some sort of "ist"...
Civil disobedience seems to be rampant with anything in regards to Global Warming or the climate.... and for whatever reason the media lap it up giving airtime to these self centred fools and hypocrites, while the police watch on helpless to do anything as they are fully aware that a board of enquiry will be set up to make scapegoats of officers who will be accused of being over zealous in carrying out their job should they do anything ....
martinbiz said:
No that could be assault, using reasonable force to stop someone is acting in defence of yourself and / or others or your property, can't see where that would apply in these circumstances.
Use of force is not just limited to those circumstances. For example s3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 permits the use of reasonable force in the prevention of a crime. Cat
Cat said:
Use of force is not just limited to those circumstances. For example s3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 permits the use of reasonable force in the prevention of a crime.
Cat
Yes agreed, just not sure that will go down as criminal offence that reaches the threshold worthy of using reasonable force to prevent. I guess it’s watch this space timeCat
Would a large amount of water hosing down all individuals not be the better solution?
Weather is drawing in, floor can't be the warmest to sit on at best of times.
Ensure there is plenty of warm blankets and cups of tea in a nearby coach that once entered can't get out again right by the 'event'.
Soak them through, taking care not to hurt the delicate petals of course but being properly cold, wet and miserable in early Autumn will reduce anyone's beliefs that they are making a difference.
Weather is drawing in, floor can't be the warmest to sit on at best of times.
Ensure there is plenty of warm blankets and cups of tea in a nearby coach that once entered can't get out again right by the 'event'.
Soak them through, taking care not to hurt the delicate petals of course but being properly cold, wet and miserable in early Autumn will reduce anyone's beliefs that they are making a difference.
The word missing is MINIMUM Reasonable force which, in itself, is completely open to what someone calls minimum.
I think the idea of the minimum bit is so it's just enough to overcome a threat to personal safety or needed to use to prevent a crime. If a perp decides to up their level of resistance things can easily get a bit on the messy side!
I think the idea of the minimum bit is so it's just enough to overcome a threat to personal safety or needed to use to prevent a crime. If a perp decides to up their level of resistance things can easily get a bit on the messy side!
martinbiz said:
Yes agreed, just not sure that will go down as criminal offence that reaches the threshold worthy of using reasonable force to prevent. I guess it’s watch this space time
The CPS suggest reasonable force can be used to prevent a breach of the peaceCPS guidance said:
Members of the public (as well as police officers) may take action, including reasonable force, to prevent a breach of the peace, which would not necessarily involve exercising the formal powers of arrest.
Catmartinbiz said:
Don't shoot the messenger mate, I'm not saying I agree with it, in fact I think they are utter idiots, just putting forward a possible likely scenario
Apologies if it read that way, it wasn't aimed at you at all, moreso at idiots who would want to bring assault charges etc forward. Forums | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff