Extended ULEZ enforcement
Discussion
tgr said:
Does anyone know whether Khan has the ANPR infrastructure in place to actually enforce the extended ULEZ over the entire new zone?
From what I've seen of the main routes on the Western side the answer would be yes. I would doubt very much there are any 'gaps in the fence' as they would be quickly exploited, spotted and then fixed.I'm sure that someone will be along with a more definitive answer but what's the origin of your question? Are you trying to find a way to sneak in the ULEZ?
All by my untrained eye of course but from what I have seen (and based on living/driving in SE London);
Yes - they have most junctions covered when turning ‘off’ the south circ into the ULEZ.
No - I could drive from home to a couple of supermarkets and petrol stations etc without (I think) being caught - so driving solely within the zone not covered as well.
Yes - they have most junctions covered when turning ‘off’ the south circ into the ULEZ.
No - I could drive from home to a couple of supermarkets and petrol stations etc without (I think) being caught - so driving solely within the zone not covered as well.
I'm just wondering...
Many of the cars I see in my street wouldn't be compliant, so the drivers will either be paying the charge or won't as the case may be. So the question becomes: is it enforced?
As I understand it pottering around in the extended zone is considered subject to ULEZ, it's not exempt for any reason unless I've misunderstood?
Many of the cars I see in my street wouldn't be compliant, so the drivers will either be paying the charge or won't as the case may be. So the question becomes: is it enforced?
As I understand it pottering around in the extended zone is considered subject to ULEZ, it's not exempt for any reason unless I've misunderstood?
tgr said:
I'm just wondering...
Many of the cars I see in my street wouldn't be compliant, so the drivers will either be paying the charge or won't as the case may be. So the question becomes: is it enforced?
As I understand it pottering around in the extended zone is considered subject to ULEZ, it's not exempt for any reason unless I've misunderstood?
If they are parked they pay nothing, when they are moved they pay per day.Many of the cars I see in my street wouldn't be compliant, so the drivers will either be paying the charge or won't as the case may be. So the question becomes: is it enforced?
As I understand it pottering around in the extended zone is considered subject to ULEZ, it's not exempt for any reason unless I've misunderstood?
But if they are enforcing movement purely within the zone, surely that would mean cameras at every intersection within the zone? Not being unfortunate enough to live or drive in London, I don't know the answer to that but no doubt someone on here will. Would mean a helluva lot of cameras.
I think we are charged for each journey we make although I don't think the Autopay updates immediately - for instance I know my wife used the car yesterday and is not shown on the account yet. I am in Kew and every small road (a lot of crescents/cul de sacs) are covered by cameras, so if you drive in from outside you will be charged. What is not clear is what happens inside the zone and whether there are cameras picking up movements between the ULEZ and CC borders.
ETA: I just checked my statement and there are also photos of the car well within the ULEZ zone (Kensington High Street)
ETA: I just checked my statement and there are also photos of the car well within the ULEZ zone (Kensington High Street)
Edited by polkadot on Thursday 9th December 10:01
Someone did an FOI about camera network some time back, cheekily asking for details of where cameras are. They didn't give this info obviously but pretty much admitted they can't get coverage on the same scale as Congestion Charge. If you're driving within the zone only, I expected you'd get away with it.
I read somewhere they may have mobile ANPR patrols but haven't seen anything like that yet
I read somewhere they may have mobile ANPR patrols but haven't seen anything like that yet
JMBMWM5 said:
If they are parked they pay nothing, when they are moved they pay per day.
This. I guess that some don't use their cars much so have decided to pay the charge. If you only use it once a month or something, it's probably worth paying rather than changing car.Maybe some like their car and are willing to pay to avoid getting rid of it.
Maybe some just don't even realise - I know that it has been publicised, but people really do miss it or just don't understand quite what it means and don't see the difference between Car A and Car B
London has sadly turned into a no-go zone for occasional visitors like me and my wife, especially as all my cars are pre-2006 and doubtless non-ULEZ compliant.
So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
QBee said:
London has sadly turned into a no-go zone for occasional visitors like me and my wife, especially as all my cars are pre-2006 and doubtless non-ULEZ compliant.
So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
So you'd be happy to pay £40+ a day on parking and however much on fuel to get there, but you won't pay for a taxi or look up the bus routes between the places you'd be visting? So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
Not sure what aspect of the public transport is "rubbish", as I've found it very, very good compared to basically anywhere else in the country.
QBee said:
London has sadly turned into a no-go zone for occasional visitors like me and my wife, especially as all my cars are pre-2006 and doubtless non-ULEZ compliant.
So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
London has arguably the best public transport within the U.K. and broadly on a par with any major city within the world. Not sure where you’re comparing it to to label it rubbish.So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
You say your cars are doubtless non-compliant by dent of being pre-2006. Have you actually checked as many cars, especially petrol, are exempt from the charge?
Edited by valiant on Sunday 12th December 21:33
valiant said:
You say your cars are doubtless non-compliant by dent of being pre-2006. Have you actually checked as many cars, especially petrol, are exempt from the charge?
That's a fair comment - I had read that they wouldn't be compliant - I will now check properly.Edited by valiant on Sunday 12th December 21:33
QBee said:
London has sadly turned into a no-go zone for occasional visitors like me and my wife, especially as all my cars are pre-2006 and doubtless non-ULEZ compliant.
So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
Just get a motorbike. I took the wife on mine yesterday to meet some family in Piccadilly Circus for lunch, we live in Surrey. Took less than an hour to get in, no ULEZ, no CC, free parking on a Sunday (£1 all day Mon-Fri).So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
Had to take a packable backpack to dump one helmet into and my waterproofs. One helmet fits on the bike. With a top box I could keep all the gear on the bike.
Bumblebee7 said:
QBee said:
London has sadly turned into a no-go zone for occasional visitors like me and my wife, especially as all my cars are pre-2006 and doubtless non-ULEZ compliant.
So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
Just get a motorbike. I took the wife on mine yesterday to meet some family in Piccadilly Circus for lunch, we live in Surrey. Took less than an hour to get in, no ULEZ, no CC, free parking on a Sunday (£1 all day Mon-Fri).So by not going I am helping Mayor Khan with his clean air aims (not that it ever will be clean in London), and the shops, restaurants, cafes, theatres, museums etc in London that might have benefited from our custom will just have to do without it.
I cannot walk far enough on my dodgy knee to enjoy a day on London's rubbish public transport, and the return train fare for the 130 miles from home to London for two of us is over £120 which is downright ridiculous - they obviously don't want us to use the trains in this country.
So I wouldn't be spending time in London any more. Which is sad, because there is so much to see and do there.
Had to take a packable backpack to dump one helmet into and my waterproofs. One helmet fits on the bike. With a top box I could keep all the gear on the bike.
Forums | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff