Leasing company paid parking fine
Leasing company paid parking fine
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hepy

Original Poster:

1,366 posts

169 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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My wife got a parking fine from Parking Eye that she is appealing, however, the leasing company, Seat Financial Services, have paid the fine.They will pass the cost on via the monthly direct debit.

Is this standard practice?

The letter states they have had to pay it for one of three reasons:
1. Legislation requires immediate payment by the registered keeper
2. The offence has been escalated back to Seat Financial
3. We are unable to transfer liability

Any thoughts on this? Anyone had it happen to them and been successful with the appeal?

Thanks

ps, sorry for the spelling error in the title

blue_haddock

5,019 posts

96 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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the main issue surely is the fact its not a fine its a parking invoice.

Monkeylegend

29,189 posts

260 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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What would be the grounds for an appeal?

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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My fleet company at work do this, pay it and recover it from your wages, then I imagine if you want to get a refund you have to appeal it

hepy

Original Poster:

1,366 posts

169 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Monkeylegend said:
What would be the grounds for an appeal?
You can appeal the fine on the basis you were working on site - which she was.

Monkeylegend

29,189 posts

260 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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hepy said:
Monkeylegend said:
What would be the grounds for an appeal?
You can appeal the fine on the basis you were working on site - which she was.
The reason I asked was to say if she had a valid reason it must be worth appealing.

Ussrcossack

1,102 posts

71 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Seat go to OR not is driver leasee is Mrs X of such address.

Trying it on and don't forget your bank has a direct debit guarantee

ConnectionError

2,340 posts

98 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Ussrcossack said:
Seat go to OR not is driver leasee is Mrs X of such address.

Trying it on and don't forget your bank has a direct debit guarantee
In English?



Durzel

12,999 posts

197 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Those sure are some words assembled in some order.

Toaster Pilot

14,863 posts

187 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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What do the terms and conditions of the lease say?

I’d expect them to just tell Parking Eye who the hirer is and let them chase her directly but if their terms say they’ll pay it…..

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Yes, this is standard for VWFS who provide finance for SEAT, Skoda, etc.

It’s in the terms, they pay the fine (ok, invoice, whatever) and charge it to the lease plus an admin fee.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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This is normal.

Many years ago I worked for G.E.Capital’s leasing division and it was standard terms for any of their leased vehicles, either personal leases or business leases.

They paid every parking ticket that arrived and then charged the customer that amount plus an admin fee.

As said above, it’s in the terms of the lease you or your company agree to when signing.

hepy

Original Poster:

1,366 posts

169 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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Thanks everyone, even the parking invoice Lampard.

I'll check the lease paperwork but it sounds like this is pretty standard.

GasEngineer

2,335 posts

91 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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Can you still appeal a parking invoice once paid?

jonwm

2,731 posts

143 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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My old work place used to do this, many a time I would have argued the point but they had already paid it, luckily you had to "accept" the charges to be taken from your wages, I would just send a note back saying why I wouldn't have accepted it.

A local bowling alley were a nightmare if you didn't put your reg in the touchscreen within literally 3 seconds of entering the car park, they always backed down if you called as they knew the error, sadly my work paid 3 times to them, I had an instance when the M6 till was stuck open so went through and it flagged that I hadn't paid, again they paid.

Toaster Pilot

14,863 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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GasEngineer said:
Can you still appeal a parking invoice once paid?
No - the appeals processes close with the ticket.

GasEngineer

2,335 posts

91 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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Toaster Pilot said:
GasEngineer said:
Can you still appeal a parking invoice once paid?
No - the appeals processes close with the ticket.
So is the claim now with SEAT who paid the invoice on the OPs behalf when it was not justified?

Toaster Pilot

14,863 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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GasEngineer said:
Toaster Pilot said:
GasEngineer said:
Can you still appeal a parking invoice once paid?
No - the appeals processes close with the ticket.
So is the claim now with SEAT who paid the invoice on the OPs behalf when it was not justified?
If the terms and conditions of the lease don’t say that they will, sure.

pavarotti1980

6,329 posts

113 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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This is the VWFS Driver Guide https://customer.vwfs.co.uk/content/dam/bluelabel/...

Fines and charges
You are responsible for the payment of any fines or charges relating to your vehicle, e.g. parking fines, fixed penalty notices, traffic camera offences, congestion charges, etc. If we are required to pay a fine on your behalf, we will recharge you or your company along with an administration fee.
We are legally obliged to provide any details that we have available (such as driver details), on demand from the police, to help identify the driver of any vehicle.

It seems to contradict itself in that "fines and charges" are your responsibility but then say they will pay on your behalf. All VWFS had to do was inform private parking company within 28 days that you were the hirer and their liability as keeper was absolved. There is provision within legislation (schedule 4 of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012) for this to happen so unsure.

jet_noise

6,080 posts

211 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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pavarotti1980 said:
This is the VWFS Driver Guide https://customer.vwfs.co.uk/content/dam/bluelabel/...

Fines and charges
You are responsible for the payment of any fines or charges relating to your vehicle, e.g. parking fines, fixed penalty notices, traffic camera offences, congestion charges, etc. If we are required to pay a fine on your behalf, we will recharge you or your company along with an administration fee.
We are legally obliged to provide any details that we have available (such as driver details), on demand from the police, to help identify the driver of any vehicle.

It seems to contradict itself in that "fines and charges" are your responsibility but then say they will pay on your behalf. All VWFS had to do was inform private parking company within 28 days that you were the hirer and their liability as keeper was absolved. There is provision within legislation (schedule 4 of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012) for this to happen so unsure.
There is a difference between a fine (which this is not) and a charge (which this may be) so not as contradictory as it may first seem.
However to the letter of their terms it is fines which they say they may be "required" to pay, not charges.
Further passing on driver details appears to be only done in the case of police request.
Which is also wrong IIRC. For a parking fine the keeper is required to supply driver details (if known), for a private parking invoice they are not.

If you want to fight there are other threads here for people in the same situation or you could try Pepipoo.

Happy to be corrected if any of the above is bks smile