Cannot tax a trade bought car
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I bought a car last week from a dealer and was told on delivery that I would need to go to the post office to tax it myself.The lack of a new keeper slip means I now have to wait for 6 weeks for the the new V5C.
I naively accepted the car. I was to trusting.
The car is financed but unusable for the foreseeable.
Do I have any come back on the dealer? Would I be able to pursue them for out of pocket expenses and the finance payments whilst the car cannot be driven? I have my suspicions now over the validity of the MOT but cannot check that fully without the V5C. I will be repeating the MOT as soon as I am able.
They are being very unhelpful indeed but I do have a bit of time to pursue this. They offered an old trade in as a temporary solution to be insured at my expense and that is again not exactly cheap.
Any decent advice would be appreciated. New, to me car excitement got the better of me.
I naively accepted the car. I was to trusting.
The car is financed but unusable for the foreseeable.
Do I have any come back on the dealer? Would I be able to pursue them for out of pocket expenses and the finance payments whilst the car cannot be driven? I have my suspicions now over the validity of the MOT but cannot check that fully without the V5C. I will be repeating the MOT as soon as I am able.
They are being very unhelpful indeed but I do have a bit of time to pursue this. They offered an old trade in as a temporary solution to be insured at my expense and that is again not exactly cheap.
Any decent advice would be appreciated. New, to me car excitement got the better of me.
Are you saying that the dealer didn't have the V5 for the car they were selling?
If so, that sounds quite worrying. I know that the V5 is not proof of ownership but it's a good start.
Was the dealer the legal owner, were they entitled to sell it?
Is selling a car like this standard practice in the motor trade? I don't know, but it sounds dodgy to me.
Some people might think this is overkill but if it was me I think I'd be straight back to the dealer, reject the car and demand your money back.
I realise that this is easier said than done but probably easier than possibly trying to explain to the legal owner why you are driving around in their stolen car.
If so, that sounds quite worrying. I know that the V5 is not proof of ownership but it's a good start.
Was the dealer the legal owner, were they entitled to sell it?
Is selling a car like this standard practice in the motor trade? I don't know, but it sounds dodgy to me.
Some people might think this is overkill but if it was me I think I'd be straight back to the dealer, reject the car and demand your money back.
I realise that this is easier said than done but probably easier than possibly trying to explain to the legal owner why you are driving around in their stolen car.
Thanks for the replies.
I have spoken to the DVLA and I have applied for a V5C as that was their clear advice. I’ve also to SORN the car whilst waiting for up to 6 weeks for the new v5 in my name.
The car was subject to a cherished transfer and had also been SORNed by the previous owner. The dealer new all this as they couldn’t tax on line yet delivered it with a v62 and new mot.
They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
I have spoken to the DVLA and I have applied for a V5C as that was their clear advice. I’ve also to SORN the car whilst waiting for up to 6 weeks for the new v5 in my name.
The car was subject to a cherished transfer and had also been SORNed by the previous owner. The dealer new all this as they couldn’t tax on line yet delivered it with a v62 and new mot.
They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
NGee said:
Are you saying that the dealer didn't have the V5 for the car they were selling?
If so, that sounds quite worrying. I know that the V5 is not proof of ownership but it's a good start.
Was the dealer the legal owner, were they entitled to sell it?
Is selling a car like this standard practice in the motor trade? I don't know, but it sounds dodgy to me.
Some people might think this is overkill but if it was me I think I'd be straight back to the dealer, reject the car and demand your money back.
I realise that this is easier said than done but probably easier than possibly trying to explain to the legal owner why you are driving around in their stolen car.
This reply did make me laugh. A lot.If so, that sounds quite worrying. I know that the V5 is not proof of ownership but it's a good start.
Was the dealer the legal owner, were they entitled to sell it?
Is selling a car like this standard practice in the motor trade? I don't know, but it sounds dodgy to me.
Some people might think this is overkill but if it was me I think I'd be straight back to the dealer, reject the car and demand your money back.
I realise that this is easier said than done but probably easier than possibly trying to explain to the legal owner why you are driving around in their stolen car.
georgeyboy12345 said:
Go to the post office again, request a V62. Fill it in, hand it to the cashier and pay the tax due there & then. Sorted, it’s now taxed in your name. Also, ask for receipts & keep hold of them in case the rozzers stop you (they won’t, you they have more important things to do).
This.Putting anymore thought or effort into the situation and you're purposely making a mountain out of a mole hill.
My last two cars (different dealers, same national chain) both "discovered" at the last minute that they didn't have a logbook - one had sent it back two weeks previously to correct an error, the other had no idea what had happened to the logbook despite marketing it as an in-house demonstrator.
The first assured me that it could be taxed with no logbook if they accompanied me to a post office but neither they nor myself could do it alone. They also wanted to take me to a specific post office a couple of miles away as they couldn't convince the local one to do this. The logbook fortunately arrived on the morning I took delivery.
The second told me it couldn't be done and I had to wait up to a month for the logbook to arrive before I could have the car. When I told them it could, he went away and consulted a manager and discovered that he could tax it over the phone with DVLA as long as I was present and confirmed my details to the agent on the phone. Worked fine, but neither the salesman at 2 nor the local post office at 1 knew how to do it.
Have you actually spoken to the garage? The first thing is to see if they can help you as above. They may also have a vehicle they can loan you if they are a bigger dealer with courtesy cars etc. Definitely they need to solve the problem for you.
The first assured me that it could be taxed with no logbook if they accompanied me to a post office but neither they nor myself could do it alone. They also wanted to take me to a specific post office a couple of miles away as they couldn't convince the local one to do this. The logbook fortunately arrived on the morning I took delivery.
The second told me it couldn't be done and I had to wait up to a month for the logbook to arrive before I could have the car. When I told them it could, he went away and consulted a manager and discovered that he could tax it over the phone with DVLA as long as I was present and confirmed my details to the agent on the phone. Worked fine, but neither the salesman at 2 nor the local post office at 1 knew how to do it.
Have you actually spoken to the garage? The first thing is to see if they can help you as above. They may also have a vehicle they can loan you if they are a bigger dealer with courtesy cars etc. Definitely they need to solve the problem for you.
Gone a bit AMG said:
The car is financed but unusable for the foreseeable.
Tell them you're paying for a car you cannot use despite the dealer saying you'll be able to tax it.
The minimum the dealer should be doing is supplying you with a car you can use, like they've offered, but they should be reimbursing your extra insurance costs.
If the finance company don't offer any help then tell them you'll be raising a complaint with the FCA
That'll get their attention.
Gone a bit AMG said:
I have my suspicions now over the validity of the MOT but cannot check that fully without the V5C. I will be repeating the MOT as soon as I am able.
What do you think is wrong with the MOT?Do you think the car shouldn't have passed?
If so you can take the car for a pre booked MOT without road tax on the car. But you do need to be insured, don't ever risk no insurance...
Trevor555 said:
What do you think is wrong with the MOT?
Do you think the car shouldn't have passed?
If so you can take the car for a pre booked MOT without road tax on the car. But you do need to be insured, don't ever risk no insurance...
Thanks for that advice. And the finance company one above. Do you think the car shouldn't have passed?
If so you can take the car for a pre booked MOT without road tax on the car. But you do need to be insured, don't ever risk no insurance...
It is speculation on my part but that is something I can sort immediately to allay that fear.
Trevor555 said:
What do you think is wrong with the MOT?
Do you think the car shouldn't have passed?
If so you can take the car for a pre booked MOT without road tax on the car. But you do need to be insured, don't ever risk no insurance...
Thanks for that advice. And the finance company one above. Do you think the car shouldn't have passed?
If so you can take the car for a pre booked MOT without road tax on the car. But you do need to be insured, don't ever risk no insurance...
It is speculation on my part but that is something I can sort immediately to allay that fear.
Gone a bit AMG said:
The car was subject to a cherished transfer and had also been SORNed by the previous owner. The dealer new all this as they couldn’t tax on line yet delivered it with a v62 and new mot.
They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
... This dealer, based up in Keighley by any chance?They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
Thanks for the replies.
I have spoken to the DVLA and I have applied for a V5C as that was their clear advice. I’ve also to SORN the car whilst waiting for up to 6 weeks for the new v5 in my name.
The car was subject to a cherished transfer and had also been SORNed by the previous owner. The dealer new all this as they couldn’t tax on line yet delivered it with a v62 and new mot.
They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
I have spoken to the DVLA and I have applied for a V5C as that was their clear advice. I’ve also to SORN the car whilst waiting for up to 6 weeks for the new v5 in my name.
The car was subject to a cherished transfer and had also been SORNed by the previous owner. The dealer new all this as they couldn’t tax on line yet delivered it with a v62 and new mot.
They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
Gone a bit AMG said:
Thanks for the replies.
I have spoken to the DVLA and I have applied for a V5C as that was their clear advice. I’ve also to SORN the car whilst waiting for up to 6 weeks for the new v5 in my name.
The car was subject to a cherished transfer and had also been SORNed by the previous owner. The dealer new all this as they couldn’t tax on line yet delivered it with a v62 and new mot.
They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
I don't see why you claim the dealer is being dishonest. They gave you a V62 form and if you look at it you will read the following:I have spoken to the DVLA and I have applied for a V5C as that was their clear advice. I’ve also to SORN the car whilst waiting for up to 6 weeks for the new v5 in my name.
The car was subject to a cherished transfer and had also been SORNed by the previous owner. The dealer new all this as they couldn’t tax on line yet delivered it with a v62 and new mot.
They haven’t been honest at all. I’m lucky I’ve got a driveway.
"If you do not have a V5C or the green slip you will need to fill in this form and pay a fee. You can pay by cash, direct debit, debit card, credit card, cheque or postal order (made out to Post Office Ltd.), Post Office budget card or by traveller's cheques (in pounds sterling)."
So there is nothing to stop you doing exactly that. Take the V62 and mot to your local tax office and get the car taxed. No need to have it off the road for 6 weeks at all.
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