Minister admits ID cards "oversold"
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No sh1t!
http://www.polfed.org/magazine_5FAD7FDC39474C97800038544136A85D.asp?articleid=15016644
Minister admits ID cards "oversold"
The home office minister responsible for the controversial policy of introducing identity cards has admitted that the government may have "oversold" their benefits.
Home office minister responsible for ID cards, Tony McNulty, also said that the scheme would not prove "a panacea for identity fraud, for benefit fraud, terrorism, entitlement and access to public services”.
The minister, who has been given the charge of driving the legislation through parliament, made his comments at a private seminar in Whitehall.
He also said that in its enthusiasm the government had focused too much on the benefits the scheme offered to the state and not those it offered to the individual.
"We have been arguing what the state can get out of it rather than what it can do for the individual in providing a gold standard of protecting your identity. This is our fault," he said.
"It has always been seen in terms of what this can do for the state rather than in developing the gold standard in proving identity and saying how precious your identity is to you."
http://www.polfed.org/magazine_5FAD7FDC39474C97800038544136A85D.asp?articleid=15016644
Minister admits ID cards "oversold"
The home office minister responsible for the controversial policy of introducing identity cards has admitted that the government may have "oversold" their benefits.
Home office minister responsible for ID cards, Tony McNulty, also said that the scheme would not prove "a panacea for identity fraud, for benefit fraud, terrorism, entitlement and access to public services”.
The minister, who has been given the charge of driving the legislation through parliament, made his comments at a private seminar in Whitehall.
He also said that in its enthusiasm the government had focused too much on the benefits the scheme offered to the state and not those it offered to the individual.
"We have been arguing what the state can get out of it rather than what it can do for the individual in providing a gold standard of protecting your identity. This is our fault," he said.
"It has always been seen in terms of what this can do for the state rather than in developing the gold standard in proving identity and saying how precious your identity is to you."
dopey labour minister said:
"It has always been seen in terms of what this can do for the state rather than in developing the gold standard in proving identity and saying how precious your identity is to you."
Maybe because it is no benefit to us, so can't really be sold as one. Oh, and you said "gold standard" twice in two sentences.
Government note to Ministers:
The 3 steps to getting what you want:
a) Decide on what you want, and realise that they will never "go for it".
b) Exagerate it to make it sound much, much worse in order to: "horrify them".
c) Back off to what you wanted in the first place, saying that you have listened to their critisism and propose a much "softer" option.
The 3 steps to getting what you want:
a) Decide on what you want, and realise that they will never "go for it".
b) Exagerate it to make it sound much, much worse in order to: "horrify them".
c) Back off to what you wanted in the first place, saying that you have listened to their critisism and propose a much "softer" option.
I also heard on the news that they now reckon they're going to cost us £100 each. That's not out of our taxes, that's actual (already taxed) money handed over the counter like you do when you get a passport.
They'll have to drag me before a judge before I give them £100 for something I don't want.
They'll have to drag me before a judge before I give them £100 for something I don't want.
_dobbo_ said:
Maybe because it is no benefit to us, so can't really be sold as one.
There was some home office gimp on the news the other day explaining that ID cards would be very useful in day to day life to prove someone's identity. When he was pushed for an example the only thing he could come up with was opening a bank account
JonRB said:
They'll have to drag me before a judge before I give them £100 for something I don't want.
They won't have to. They will just make the ID card a requirement for something you really need. Then you will go and get one. Council tax, Income tax, buying a new car, changing jobs etc
Lots of jobs for the boys in rolling out 60 million or so id cards and the control systems to manage and organise them.
To say nothing of how effective the computer systems may be. The UK Gov has acquired a certain reputation in this area.
JonRB said:
I also heard on the news that they now reckon they're going to cost us £100 each. That's not out of our taxes, that's actual (already taxed) money handed over the counter like you do when you get a passport.
They'll have to drag me before a judge before I give them £100 for something I don't want.
Newspaper letter recently asked a simple question. If we refuse to have an ID card we face arrest. We are told that without a card, our oppressors don't know who we are, so how will they know that they
are arresting the right person?
Tafia said:
I also heard on the news that they now reckon they're going to cost us £100 each. That's not out of our taxes, that's actual (already taxed) money handed over the counter like you do when you get a passport.
They'll have to drag me before a judge before I give them £100 for something I don't want.
Newspaper letter recently asked a simple question. If we refuse to have an ID card we face arrest. We are told that without a card, our oppressors don't know who we are, so how will they know that they
are arresting the right person?
Quite honestly I'm past caring about these hassles. If I end up being arrested, so be it, but I'm not having an ID card, and that is it.
It's hard knowing what to make of all this, but sadly I'm coming to the conclusion that this country is going down the tubes at an ever increasing rate. Even so, it is still my country and it's too late for me to contemplate settling elsewhere, so I guess all I can do is resist what I feel is wrong to the best of my ability, and that is what I shall do.
Best wishes all,
David.
streaky said:
Until they start implanting RFIDs.
Is an 'RF' ID an 'I' or a 'D'?- Streaky
It is basically a microchip up your arse. An electronic dog tag that can be read by any reader you walk past.
They'll be on the clothes you wear and the stuff you buy soon anyway, so not really much we'll be able to do about it anyway.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rfid
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