what do white hatch markings near a junction mean?
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White hatch markings inside solid white line near kerb at junction e.g. here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2353384,-0.32837...
Does it mean you can't park there, like the silver Jeep(?) is doing? Or you can't go into that area at all like the ones used to separate lanes near turnings etc? Or do they just mean nothing?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2353384,-0.32837...
Does it mean you can't park there, like the silver Jeep(?) is doing? Or you can't go into that area at all like the ones used to separate lanes near turnings etc? Or do they just mean nothing?
Pieman68 said:
Would presume it means no stopping/parking. Due to the proximity to the corner anybody with any sort of knowledge or the law wouldn't be there anyway as within 10m of the corner
Further to that I would say both the Jeep and the Polo are parked in both an illegal and idiotic manner, but having panned around and seen where they have located the disabled spot outside the shop it seem idiocy knows no bounds in the areaYes, I know you're not supposed to park that close to a junction - it's a t
ttish thing to do regardless of whether it's technically allowed or not. I put it here in SPL because I kind of want to know definitively can I/anyone park there or go into it or not. If the rule is 'you can't enter the area' then presumably that means by definition you can't park there. Hence it's effectively a double-yellow line / red-line. But it obviously isn't, otherwise the council would have painted a yellow/red line there instead.
I've seen quite a few markings like this around and almost always there is someone parked in them, again I'm guessing because it isn't a yellow line and so people figure it's OK. But if I feel t
ttish and park there because there's nowhere else to park, can I be ticketed for it?Another example of a waste of paint.
These markings used to extend about 1 m into the carriageway at the apex.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3609621,-2.51520...
They would never get worn away if they were obeyed.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3609612,-2.51520...
But they don't actually achieve anything. Hopefully they won't get repainted.
These markings used to extend about 1 m into the carriageway at the apex.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3609621,-2.51520...
They would never get worn away if they were obeyed.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3609612,-2.51520...
But they don't actually achieve anything. Hopefully they won't get repainted.
c6r said:
Yes, I know you're not supposed to park that close to a junction - it's a tttish thing to do regardless of whether it's technically allowed or not.
I put it here in SPL because I kind of want to know definitively can I/anyone park there or go into it or not. If the rule is 'you can't enter the area' then presumably that means by definition you can't park there. Hence it's effectively a double-yellow line / red-line. But it obviously isn't, otherwise the council would have painted a yellow/red line there instead.
I've seen quite a few markings like this around and almost always there is someone parked in them, again I'm guessing because it isn't a yellow line and so people figure it's OK. But if I feel tttish and park there because there's nowhere else to park, can I be ticketed for it?
You couldn't be ticketed for it as a parking contravention because there is no TRO associated with it. It's unusual to use it as such, but the main purpose would actually be to ensure that drivers approaching the side road do so further away from the kerb, thereby increasing visibility. You could presumably be ticketed though for causing an obstruction, as you could whether those markings were there or not.ttish thing to do regardless of whether it's technically allowed or not. I put it here in SPL because I kind of want to know definitively can I/anyone park there or go into it or not. If the rule is 'you can't enter the area' then presumably that means by definition you can't park there. Hence it's effectively a double-yellow line / red-line. But it obviously isn't, otherwise the council would have painted a yellow/red line there instead.
I've seen quite a few markings like this around and almost always there is someone parked in them, again I'm guessing because it isn't a yellow line and so people figure it's OK. But if I feel t
ttish and park there because there's nowhere else to park, can I be ticketed for it?c6r said:
Yes, I know you're not supposed to park that close to a junction - it's a tttish thing to do regardless of whether it's technically allowed or not.
I put it here in SPL because I kind of want to know definitively can I/anyone park there or go into it or not. If the rule is 'you can't enter the area' then presumably that means by definition you can't park there. Hence it's effectively a double-yellow line / red-line. But it obviously isn't, otherwise the council would have painted a yellow/red line there instead.
I've seen quite a few markings like this around and almost always there is someone parked in them, again I'm guessing because it isn't a yellow line and so people figure it's OK. But if I feel tttish and park there because there's nowhere else to park, can I be ticketed for it?
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/lines-and-lane-markings-on-the-road.htmlttish thing to do regardless of whether it's technically allowed or not. I put it here in SPL because I kind of want to know definitively can I/anyone park there or go into it or not. If the rule is 'you can't enter the area' then presumably that means by definition you can't park there. Hence it's effectively a double-yellow line / red-line. But it obviously isn't, otherwise the council would have painted a yellow/red line there instead.
I've seen quite a few markings like this around and almost always there is someone parked in them, again I'm guessing because it isn't a yellow line and so people figure it's OK. But if I feel t
ttish and park there because there's nowhere else to park, can I be ticketed for it?I think it is 130 that covers it, although an usual use for it.
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)
The parking bit is covered under other regs on how close you can park to a junction. The hatching is either there as an extra deterrent or more likely if turning right out of the left hand road, so that you don't drive head on to parked cars, i.e. place you more in the middle of the road. The Jeep shouldn't be there regardless.
300bhp/ton said:
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/lines-and-lane-mar...
I think it is 130 that covers it, although an usual use for it.
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)
I don't think this covers it. Page 241 of the TSRGD seems to specify that such markings when at the side of the road and not the middle and bounded by a *solid* white line can only be used on dual carriageways. This is confirmed by the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 5.I think it is 130 that covers it, although an usual use for it.
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I wouldn't presume they have any meaning beyond expressing the boredom of whoever painted it. There was a sort of Romantic period of road markings and furniture in the 2000s where all kinds of different things sprang up around utopian notions of shared space and urban renewal.
That seems to be the conclusion from all the replies - the lines might have some meaning, but they might not because section 123 of something says it might, or might not, or maybe it does, and in any case no one like the council or police are remotely bothered either way. So that's cleared that up then...I was under the impression that a solid line at the side of the road simply means 'this is the edge of the road'.
Edit: check out the 'edge line' entry half way down the page: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/road-safety/uk-...
Edit: check out the 'edge line' entry half way down the page: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/road-safety/uk-...
Edited by Biker 1 on Monday 25th April 13:29
They have been put in because there have probably been instances of drivers cutting the corner and driving over the kerb and/or nearly hitting pedestrians.
It also moves cars away from the parked cars (where the Focus is parked) when exiting onto the major road.
It's a tight corner and easily cut.
It also moves cars away from the parked cars (where the Focus is parked) when exiting onto the major road.
It's a tight corner and easily cut.
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