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My car broke down and although I left it taxed I took the insurance off, I did not know I had to SORN it if it was not insured.
Now I have a fine
£100
Currently unemployed and on £75 a week, anyway of spreading the fine into smaller payments.
Took them 8 months to sort out my drivers licence, yet some parts of DVLA are very efficient.
PS i did SORN the car but aparently enforcment had already satarted
Now I have a fine
£100 Currently unemployed and on £75 a week, anyway of spreading the fine into smaller payments.
Took them 8 months to sort out my drivers licence, yet some parts of DVLA are very efficient.
PS i did SORN the car but aparently enforcment had already satarted
Edited by Armchair Expert on Wednesday 4th May 19:56
Yep it's a bit of a crazy system really (IIRC lobbied for by the insurance industry)
It could be worth contacting the DVLA and asking, you might be lucky.
It does seem that the only efficient parts of these agencies are the money collecting bits... It would be great if we could levy similar fines on them for failing to do things within the specified period...
It could be worth contacting the DVLA and asking, you might be lucky.
It does seem that the only efficient parts of these agencies are the money collecting bits... It would be great if we could levy similar fines on them for failing to do things within the specified period...
Is it from dvla or from a 3rd party company?
I had a letter from a 3rd party saying they wanted to collect £80 fine from dvla. A direct debit had missed for car tax and I hadn't realised, then I sold the vehicle.
So I think it was untaxed for a couple of weeks.
I called them and said if the dvla want to issue a fine, they need to contact me, as no way I'm paying £80 to a company I've never heard of.
They threatened to clamp the car.
I said crack on, I sold it a while ago.
Never heard anything more.
I had a letter from a 3rd party saying they wanted to collect £80 fine from dvla. A direct debit had missed for car tax and I hadn't realised, then I sold the vehicle.
So I think it was untaxed for a couple of weeks.
I called them and said if the dvla want to issue a fine, they need to contact me, as no way I'm paying £80 to a company I've never heard of.
They threatened to clamp the car.
I said crack on, I sold it a while ago.
Never heard anything more.
The rules are clear.
You must make a SORN in any of the following situations:
your vehicle is not taxed
your vehicle is not insured (even for a short time, for example because there’s a delay renewing your policy)
you want to break a vehicle down for parts before you scrap it
you buy or receive a vehicle and want to keep it off the road (you cannot transfer a SORN from the previous keeper)
https://www.gov.uk/sorn-statutory-off-road-notific...
It doesn't matter where the car is physically located.
You must make a SORN in any of the following situations:
your vehicle is not taxed
your vehicle is not insured (even for a short time, for example because there’s a delay renewing your policy)
you want to break a vehicle down for parts before you scrap it
you buy or receive a vehicle and want to keep it off the road (you cannot transfer a SORN from the previous keeper)
https://www.gov.uk/sorn-statutory-off-road-notific...
It doesn't matter where the car is physically located.
Makes sense to me. OP's car broke down. OP took the car off the road and cancelled the insurance but didn't SORN the car. OP now caught in the "continuous insurance" net that obligates you to insure a vehicle unless it's officially "off the road". OP should have SORNed car but didn't so has now been fined for no insurance.
anonymous said:
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Not sure I follow anything you are saying here, he has received a fine for breaking the CIE rules that's it. The DVLA will know it's still taxed but no longer insured, hence the fineAnd where does the OP mention a garage?
Anyway, unless the OP comes back it's all guesswork as to where the car was and where it is now
"The registered keeper of a vehicle that appears to be uninsured will be sent an Insurance Advisory Letter (IAL). This letter will advise them their vehicle appears to be uninsured and unless they take action they will receive a penalty from the DVLA...."
This only applies if the vehicle is NOT declared SORN of course.
You get a chance to rectify the situation (declare it SORN) so unless the OP ignored the letter from DVLA or didn't receive one...
This only applies if the vehicle is NOT declared SORN of course.
You get a chance to rectify the situation (declare it SORN) so unless the OP ignored the letter from DVLA or didn't receive one...
anonymous said:
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Blimey this is hard work, you seem to be adding bits of your own thoughts into the OP's account, go back to the beginning and read the OP's post, he says it broke down so he stopped the insurance, presumably to save money as he's skint, why he didn't SORN it and get a VED refund as well who knows and unless the OP returns we probably never willanonymous said:
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Not sure what you are finding so annoying. You asked when the DVLA started issuing fines for no insurance and I posted a link explaining.You failed to comprehend the contents of the link and repeated your incorrect statement that it was a fine for breaching DVLA terms and conditions. I pointed out that that wasn't the case and it is actually an offence under the RTA.
The DVLA don't issue £200 fines and 6 points for it because it's not the offence of using an uninsured vehicle under s143 of the RTA. It is the offence of keeping a vehicle which doesn't meet insurance requirements contrary to s144A. Different offences different penalties - it really isn't complicated.
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anonymous said:
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FFS wtf are you on about, are you really this thick or just a troll. One is for not having continuous insurance and other is for using a vehicle without insurance, only punishable by a court, 2 completely separate and different offences and last time I checked the DVLA were not a court Car broke down while in a workshop, got brought back on a truck and lived in the drive.
Reason I did not take the tax off is because my mother died around the time and it was on the things to do list then got forgoten. Only remembered when tax due reminder arrived. Insurance was due around the time it broke.
Never got any reminder letters from DVLA regarding no insurance.
Changed my user name as not to clash with someone else, been meaning to do it for a while - or not, well I tryed.
Reason I did not take the tax off is because my mother died around the time and it was on the things to do list then got forgoten. Only remembered when tax due reminder arrived. Insurance was due around the time it broke.
Never got any reminder letters from DVLA regarding no insurance.
Changed my user name as not to clash with someone else, been meaning to do it for a while - or not, well I tryed.
markjmd said:
Who in this country has ever received reminders from DVLA that their insurance is due to expire? This is something your insurance company or broker will normally do.
It's not a letter reminding them that their insurance is about to expire. It is a letter informing them that a vehicle which they are the registered keeper of appears to be uninsured and so in contravention of the CIE regs. It advises that if they don't resolve the issue they will receive a penalty. Google Insurance Advisory Letter.Cat
martinbiz said:
It's obvious now the whole thing is a trolling exercise and they are one and the same person. Looking back armchair expert always gets involved when armchair_expert is involved and Vice Versa a. Obviously a sad weirdo. I'm out
To be fair, there's a fair number of 'armchair experts' on PH
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