C1 being scrapped?
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Seems like a bad idea to me.
I thought the same thing when they scrapped B&E recently, when the little 18 year old rich kid girls at the yard my wife kept her horse were all thrilled that they could just take Daddy's Range Rover and the trailer and take their horses to the beach by themselves.
I thought the same thing when they scrapped B&E recently, when the little 18 year old rich kid girls at the yard my wife kept her horse were all thrilled that they could just take Daddy's Range Rover and the trailer and take their horses to the beach by themselves.
I don't care either way but I do think it makes a mockery of the system that we have been working with for the last 25 years.
The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
gotoPzero said:
I don't care either way but I do think it makes a mockery of the system that we have been working with for the last 25 years.
The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
I see your frustration, but just because a lot of work goes into complying with regulations, it doesn't mean those regulations should then be cast in stone for ever. We have to be able to make changes , and change our minds when situations change.The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
I do understand, I was a transport manager many years ago, and did my CPC. A ball ache. God forbid having to do all of that , and have a transport manager, to drive what isn't a particularly big rigid about.
Same with trailers. Just because someone above has a chip on their shoulder posting above, about wealthier/more successful families and their daughters dragging horse boxes around, doesn't mean the law should stay the same as it was. All of my generation managed perfectly fine with no training, towing trailers. Lets face it, no one is ever going to stop caravan owners flipping them over on the motorway :-) I've never seen a toppled horse box, but I've seen loads of caravans spread all over the road.
I think it's quite sensible but only if they remove the other red tape involved in operating vehicles over 3500kg.
The current system just results in everyone routinely overloading 3.5T vans. Given the tiny legal payloads of your average Transit or Sprinter flatbed i reckon the vast majority of them run overweight day in day out.
The current system just results in everyone routinely overloading 3.5T vans. Given the tiny legal payloads of your average Transit or Sprinter flatbed i reckon the vast majority of them run overweight day in day out.
thewarlock said:
Seems like a bad idea to me.
I thought the same thing when they scrapped B&E recently, when the little 18 year old rich kid girls at the yard my wife kept her horse were all thrilled that they could just take Daddy's Range Rover and the trailer and take their horses to the beach by themselves.
Oh, you mean just like their parents already could at the same age and level of experience?I thought the same thing when they scrapped B&E recently, when the little 18 year old rich kid girls at the yard my wife kept her horse were all thrilled that they could just take Daddy's Range Rover and the trailer and take their horses to the beach by themselves.
The scenes of large-scale devastation due to post-97 licence holders being allowed to tow trailers seem to have failed to materialise.
We will see what happens with 7.5T stuff, but I doubt it would cause anything to change much.
Griffith4ever said:
Same with trailers. Just because someone above has a chip on their shoulder posting above, about wealthier/more successful families and their daughters dragging horse boxes around, doesn't mean the law should stay the same as it was. All of my generation managed perfectly fine with no training, towing trailers. Lets face it, no one is ever going to stop caravan owners flipping them over on the motorway :-) I've never seen a toppled horse box, but I've seen loads of caravans spread all over the road.
Where's the chip? Ah, i see your wealthier more successful families bit. My wife just sold our 12T horse lorry and moved back to a new trailer on the back of her SQ5. There's no jealousy or envy here. I just don't like driving round the corner to face a kid driving far too fast, right down the middle of the road at me, with a trailer on the back, and no real experience.As for toppled horse trailers, it happens more often than apparently you're aware of, and the results are never pretty.
Edited by thewarlock on Thursday 26th May 16:19
InitialDave said:
Oh, you mean just like their parents already could at the same age and level of experience?
The scenes of large-scale devastation due to post-97 licence holders being allowed to tow trailers seem to have failed to materialise.
We will see what happens with 7.5T stuff, but I doubt it would cause anything to change much.
Perhaps, although they tended not to be doing it with 300+bhp under their right foot. At said yard, I've seen 2 bent/dented car&trailer set ups this year.The scenes of large-scale devastation due to post-97 licence holders being allowed to tow trailers seem to have failed to materialise.
We will see what happens with 7.5T stuff, but I doubt it would cause anything to change much.
Both young ladies (not sexist, it's just not a hobby too many men of that age take part in, I'm sure they'd be just as good/bad at it), both in large, high powered vehicles, and don't seem to appreciate that when you strap 2.5T+ on the back of your car, it's not going to behave in quite the same manner, and it may be wider than the car alone. The trees along the road to the yard have taken quite the bashing this year. Or, really, the trailers that have been hitting them have.
Snow and Rocks said:
I think it's quite sensible but only if they remove the other red tape involved in operating vehicles over 3500kg.
The current system just results in everyone routinely overloading 3.5T vans. Given the tiny legal payloads of your average Transit or Sprinter flatbed i reckon the vast majority of them run overweight day in day out.
A lot people don't realise how easy it is to overload a Luton, most of them have a payload below that of a regular Transit or a LWB Sprinter etc. The current system just results in everyone routinely overloading 3.5T vans. Given the tiny legal payloads of your average Transit or Sprinter flatbed i reckon the vast majority of them run overweight day in day out.
pavarotti1980 said:
R0G said:
Do not see a problem as all of us passing before 1997 had it for free
I missed out by 6 months in not getting those entitlements so this would be nice to haveEdited by Toltec on Friday 27th May 10:17
gotoPzero said:
I don't care either way but I do think it makes a mockery of the system that we have been working with for the last 25 years.
The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
It’s because of the shortage and the pandemic has led to such a backlog of driving tests.The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
I never thought it was fair that pre 97 you got a 7.5tn!
My mum is never going to drive a lorry and my ex mother law wouldn’t drive a 3tn van or drive on motorways but both can jump in a lorry. I have passed a more recent driving test and had various further driver training and yet I got 3.5tn.!
It costs way too much to get a hgv now vs pay it needs sorting
surveyor_101 said:
gotoPzero said:
I don't care either way but I do think it makes a mockery of the system that we have been working with for the last 25 years.
The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
It’s because of the shortage and the pandemic has led to such a backlog of driving tests.The struggles we have had to get 7.5 tonner drivers over the years esp when the CPC came in have had a massive -ve impact on us but we had to go through it for road safety bla.
Now they are just going to reverse it... thanks a lot!
I never thought it was fair that pre 97 you got a 7.5tn!
My mum is never going to drive a lorry and my ex mother law wouldn’t drive a 3tn van or drive on motorways but both can jump in a lorry. I have passed a more recent driving test and had various further driver training and yet I got 3.5tn.!
It costs way too much to get a hgv now vs pay it needs sorting
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