Railway Enforcement
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I was once in the lovely town of Chatham-sur-Medway and overheard a conversation where someone had Whatsapp messaged a group saying that you could travel to Chatham right now because the barriers were broken (left open) and they were not checking tickets. This seems to be one of the ways the feral population travels - massive rights, but little/no contribution to Society.
That's just the infuriating tip of the criminal iceberg. (I feel your pain.)
If we could suddenly 'disappear' the following society would be a lot better off.
1) People in OP's post.
2) Litter droppers.
3) Thieves.
4) I can park anywhere scumbags.
5) Dishonest public servants/politicians etc
Please add to the list.
If we could suddenly 'disappear' the following society would be a lot better off.
1) People in OP's post.
2) Litter droppers.
3) Thieves.
4) I can park anywhere scumbags.
5) Dishonest public servants/politicians etc
Please add to the list.
anonymous said:
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There's two versions of these types of people. The ones as mentioned above and then there are the ones who get up and move into the toilet as soon as the guard enters the carriage. With the latter do they think people don't realise what they're doing or are they just brazen enough to not care? Only once have I seen the guard stand outside the toilet waiting for them to come out.Agreed that lots of this behaviour seems to go unchecked.
I was in Germany years ago and jumped on a train without a ticket as I was only going a couple of stops. Out of the corner of my eye I noticed a couple of plain clothes rail cops flashing their badges accosting some americans and asking to see their tickets, which they didn't have.
They whipped out a wireless cash machine and charged them a penalty fare on the spot, whilst I quickly made my escape at the next stop!
I was in Germany years ago and jumped on a train without a ticket as I was only going a couple of stops. Out of the corner of my eye I noticed a couple of plain clothes rail cops flashing their badges accosting some americans and asking to see their tickets, which they didn't have.
They whipped out a wireless cash machine and charged them a penalty fare on the spot, whilst I quickly made my escape at the next stop!
anonymous said:
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The whole situation on the railways has changed in the last 20 yrs or so.Railway staff have the legal right to detain and physically remove people from the railways where byelaws are broken.
Railway staff used to force open toilet doors and physically drag people off trains and railway stations.
Then the do gooders and there' rights and no responsibility' laws came along.
There has also been a big change in the type staff were employed as guards and revenue enforcement positions(On the railway in general).
Clint Eastwood did warn us about all this(Think Tyne Daley and the Enforcer "all in the name of style" forget the Shetland pony bit)
Scum travelling on a train have no fear of a small female guard/revenue staff, regardless of the rules a big person can hurt someone if they go off!
The extent of fare evasion on the railway now is huge, last estimat e(2019) £200,000000 a year,
The used of TVM's and apps on smartphones has made ticket fraud so easy.
Doughnutting is rife and really difficult to prevent.
The GDPR rules have made it more difficult for staff to obtain the details of supects, which has/would cause more work for the British Transport Police. Who do not want to know as it is far to much work for them.
Long gone are the days were a person had to show their railcard with a photograph of them on it and an expiry date to the man behined the counter before they got a discounted ticket. Or buy a child ticket.
All staff are told do not get involved in confrontation, some who have have been sacked.
Hens the staff are like they are.
As regards your bike, try shiffting a slummy mummy and here three kids from the cycle area!, it's just not worth it she is a victim all the way.
"Bring back the birch"
P.S it might make you feel better if you have a look here.Go to Disputes and Prosecutions https://www.railforums.co.uk/
Whenever I see a crackdown from BTP on non paying customers on my commuter line the non payers always fit the same MO which means nothing much will be done sadly in todays politically correct risk adverse law/society, some of the stations don't even have ticket barriers on my line as so many people don't pay!
Last year a non payer was confronted and this happened despite the train station being literally next door to one of the largest police stations in London.
The attacker didn't even get jail time afaik and after this incident whenever I've alighted at the station the barriers have been left open outside of peak times to prevent a reoccurrence.
Last year a non payer was confronted and this happened despite the train station being literally next door to one of the largest police stations in London.
article said:
https://www.tssa.org.uk/news-and-events/tssa-news/...
TSSA has condemned the assault and stabbing of a Revenue Protection Officer at Bromley South on Monday and the culture of indifference by Southeastern bosses that allowed the event to happen.
The incident took place on bank holiday Monday at about ten past one. Two Revenue Protection Officers from Ashford asked a young man for his ticket and an altercation ensued. One officer had a tooth knocked out and the other was stabbed in the leg seven times by the youth.
The unions are blaming Southeastern but what are they supposed to do? TSSA has condemned the assault and stabbing of a Revenue Protection Officer at Bromley South on Monday and the culture of indifference by Southeastern bosses that allowed the event to happen.
The incident took place on bank holiday Monday at about ten past one. Two Revenue Protection Officers from Ashford asked a young man for his ticket and an altercation ensued. One officer had a tooth knocked out and the other was stabbed in the leg seven times by the youth.
The attacker didn't even get jail time afaik and after this incident whenever I've alighted at the station the barriers have been left open outside of peak times to prevent a reoccurrence.
Afternoon all.
After a 30 year career as a Lawyer and nearing my intended retirement age I decided that a change would be good so I took a job with GWR as a Ticket Examiner.
Training was fun. 4 weeks in Swindon at Jury's Inn on full board, and receiving full pay.
The first two years of the job were great even though I was getting up some days at 4.30am. As well as the pay, which was just over £12/hour, we received 5% commission on all ticket sales. Railway Staff also get to join a final salary pension scheme.
Our employer made it abundantly clear to us that under no circumstances were we to engage in any physical or verbal confrontation with non paying or under paying passengers. One of our Trainers, who was also a Revenue Inspector (different job with greater powers currently paying around £50k per annum) told us about the old days when he and other colleagues would pursue miscreants out of the station and rugby tackle them to the ground. He made it clear that those days were long gone.
The Job itself was a real eye opener as to just how unpeasant and potentially violent a lot of people are, and it was a bad error to judge by age or appearance. In the time that I was working I was pushed, spat at, and a couple of punches were thrown which fortunately missed. I would say that as time went on the unpleasant incidents became more common. One of my colleagues was head butted.
I regret to say that British Transport Police were not particularly helpful, and always seemed to have an excuse to do nothing, even where there was CCTV evidence.
Eventually Covid struck. Our employers did not put us on furlough and our line manager had to move heaven and earth to get them to pay us for a nominal 6 hours per week.
I left after 3 years. I do not regret taking the job and met some extremely nice people. I would never go back to that sort of job now. A significant minority of the British Public are just awful.
After a 30 year career as a Lawyer and nearing my intended retirement age I decided that a change would be good so I took a job with GWR as a Ticket Examiner.
Training was fun. 4 weeks in Swindon at Jury's Inn on full board, and receiving full pay.
The first two years of the job were great even though I was getting up some days at 4.30am. As well as the pay, which was just over £12/hour, we received 5% commission on all ticket sales. Railway Staff also get to join a final salary pension scheme.
Our employer made it abundantly clear to us that under no circumstances were we to engage in any physical or verbal confrontation with non paying or under paying passengers. One of our Trainers, who was also a Revenue Inspector (different job with greater powers currently paying around £50k per annum) told us about the old days when he and other colleagues would pursue miscreants out of the station and rugby tackle them to the ground. He made it clear that those days were long gone.
The Job itself was a real eye opener as to just how unpeasant and potentially violent a lot of people are, and it was a bad error to judge by age or appearance. In the time that I was working I was pushed, spat at, and a couple of punches were thrown which fortunately missed. I would say that as time went on the unpleasant incidents became more common. One of my colleagues was head butted.
I regret to say that British Transport Police were not particularly helpful, and always seemed to have an excuse to do nothing, even where there was CCTV evidence.
Eventually Covid struck. Our employers did not put us on furlough and our line manager had to move heaven and earth to get them to pay us for a nominal 6 hours per week.
I left after 3 years. I do not regret taking the job and met some extremely nice people. I would never go back to that sort of job now. A significant minority of the British Public are just awful.
jmn said:
I left after 3 years. I do not regret taking the job and met some extremely nice people. I would never go back to that sort of job now. A significant minority of the British Public are just awful.
Didn't you try hugging the hoodies? The scumbags in our country are just misunderstood and in need of a cuddle, apparently.There's always been scumbags, but an almost complete lack of any chance of repercussions seems to be a recent innovation.
donkmeister said:
Didn't you try hugging the hoodies? The scumbags in our country are just misunderstood and in need of a cuddle, apparently.
There's always been scumbags, but an almost complete lack of any chance of repercussions seems to be a recent innovation.
If I had I might have caught something unpleasant!There's always been scumbags, but an almost complete lack of any chance of repercussions seems to be a recent innovation.
It all starts with onlookers looking the other way. If everybody started tutting and moaning at the miscreants, they would soon slink away. Other countries would not accept that, Japan and Sweden for instance. No the liberal freedom seems to trump social responsibility.
I have:
Separated two teenage girls tearing each other’s hair out.
Stopped a 40 year old swearing profusely at his wife in a public place.
Told teenagers off for littering.
My wife, retired teacher, does the same (and you wouldn’t want one her scowls!).
I still have all my front teeth.
I have:
Separated two teenage girls tearing each other’s hair out.
Stopped a 40 year old swearing profusely at his wife in a public place.
Told teenagers off for littering.
My wife, retired teacher, does the same (and you wouldn’t want one her scowls!).
I still have all my front teeth.
Guards don't get paid extra to deal with the absolute scum of society, and let's face it it's the scum that do these sorts of things.
If someone refuses to get off a train all you can do is not move the train and wait for BTP unless you've got a few helpful punters nearby to throw them off.
The clever ones throw the welfare card about, you get used to seeing the same faces.
There's one particular guy who avoids paying all the time. It's quite funny watching him sit back down on the platform when it's a guard who's clocked him and wont even let him board, knowing the next train isn't for an hour
fares only about £3 too.
If someone refuses to get off a train all you can do is not move the train and wait for BTP unless you've got a few helpful punters nearby to throw them off.
The clever ones throw the welfare card about, you get used to seeing the same faces.
There's one particular guy who avoids paying all the time. It's quite funny watching him sit back down on the platform when it's a guard who's clocked him and wont even let him board, knowing the next train isn't for an hour
fares only about £3 too. OutInTheShed said:
The railways are an expensive joke.
Agreed. And in the line of OP's topic - the fare paying customers are subsidising the scrotes. We have one of the highest rates in Europe for fares, particularly on the underground. So as long as there are no penalties for being a scrote, you're better off not using the system at all; lest you subsidise them.I was on a train back from Liverpool and this young girl (15 -17) sat opposite me. She asked if she could sit there and was polite, but on the phone to mum then a friend about the boy she was going to see and the fact his mum would let her sleep over.
The guard asks her for a ticket and she tried all kinds of stuff to get out of it including saying she was 14. She maybe was but going on her own to stay with a BF at 14 seemed a bit much? The guard walked off in the end after asking her over and over to pay for a ticket.
At the station (in London) the guard was stood with 6 police officers to have a chat with her. Dose not always work out for them!
The guard asks her for a ticket and she tried all kinds of stuff to get out of it including saying she was 14. She maybe was but going on her own to stay with a BF at 14 seemed a bit much? The guard walked off in the end after asking her over and over to pay for a ticket.
At the station (in London) the guard was stood with 6 police officers to have a chat with her. Dose not always work out for them!
I am not saying this is a reasonable excuse to fare dodge but... whilst we're on the topic, the price rises over the last few years (especially with SE) are a joke.
For context, I pay £447 a month just to travel in from Chatham to London Bridge in 45 mins. Its literally only 2 stops as well.
What's even more of a kick in the teeth is that I only go into the office 3 days a week due to our hybrid working policy. They offer a Flexi Season ticket now, but it still works out cheaper to buy a monthly if you go in 3 days a week or more.
Only way I can save money further is by doing the pay back scheme with work and buy a yearly, or move closer to London which isn't ideal.
Sometimes I do debate just fare skipping and then if I get caught just owning up and paying the fine, if it comes in at less than £447 why not?
I'm fortunate enough to be on a decent salary whereby I can still save money, but I honestly have no idea how young people just starting in work or doing apprenticeship schemes can afford it! That's got to be close to 50% of someones wage on minimum surely just on travel alone?
For context, I pay £447 a month just to travel in from Chatham to London Bridge in 45 mins. Its literally only 2 stops as well.
What's even more of a kick in the teeth is that I only go into the office 3 days a week due to our hybrid working policy. They offer a Flexi Season ticket now, but it still works out cheaper to buy a monthly if you go in 3 days a week or more.
Only way I can save money further is by doing the pay back scheme with work and buy a yearly, or move closer to London which isn't ideal.
Sometimes I do debate just fare skipping and then if I get caught just owning up and paying the fine, if it comes in at less than £447 why not?
I'm fortunate enough to be on a decent salary whereby I can still save money, but I honestly have no idea how young people just starting in work or doing apprenticeship schemes can afford it! That's got to be close to 50% of someones wage on minimum surely just on travel alone?
Edited by J2daG1990 on Wednesday 29th June 15:11
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