Tax and Mot exemption, 40 year rolling?
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Bought a motorbike recently registered in Feb 1982, was waiting till Feb next year to put it on the road thinking it'd be
MOT and TAX exempt, doing a bit of research i've found it will be MOT exempt due to age as it will be over 40 but noticed
the TAX exemption is vehicles built before 1st Jan 1981, DVLA site says you do not have to apply for MOT exemption so
will it automatically show on the data base as MOT exempt when it turns 40 ?, will i still need to (or be able to) TAX it even
though it will be MOT exempt ?
MOT and TAX exempt, doing a bit of research i've found it will be MOT exempt due to age as it will be over 40 but noticed
the TAX exemption is vehicles built before 1st Jan 1981, DVLA site says you do not have to apply for MOT exemption so
will it automatically show on the data base as MOT exempt when it turns 40 ?, will i still need to (or be able to) TAX it even
though it will be MOT exempt ?
"If your vehicle was built before 1 January 1982, you can stop paying vehicle tax from 1 April 2022.
If you do not know when your vehicle was built, but it was registered before 8 January 1982, you do not need to pay vehicle tax from 1 April 2022."
From https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles which also tells you how to apply for historic vehicle tax exemption
If it was registered in Feb 1982 it's possible it was built in 1981. Do you have any evidence of this, e.g. does the VIN specify the build year and month?
If you do not know when your vehicle was built, but it was registered before 8 January 1982, you do not need to pay vehicle tax from 1 April 2022."
From https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles which also tells you how to apply for historic vehicle tax exemption
If it was registered in Feb 1982 it's possible it was built in 1981. Do you have any evidence of this, e.g. does the VIN specify the build year and month?
MoT exemption doesn't just 'turn up' on their database. It will show as expired at the moment. Some owners of 40 yr old + vehicles MoT them anyway and this will show up on the database. When you buy VED (tax), you can select the option that the vehicle is MoT exempt and the database will (eventually) show as 'No results returned' below. The taxation class becomes 'historic.'
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/?_ga=2.10466...
You are correct that it is exempt MoT as soon as it is 40. But the rolling forward of 40-year exemption for VED only occurs once per year on 1st
April. So, from April this year, 1981 cars and older became exempt. Up to this date you have to buy it.
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/?_ga=2.10466...
You are correct that it is exempt MoT as soon as it is 40. But the rolling forward of 40-year exemption for VED only occurs once per year on 1st
April. So, from April this year, 1981 cars and older became exempt. Up to this date you have to buy it.
To make sure no-one misunderstands the process ....... you still have to tax it each year but you don't have to pay. In simple English the vehicle becomes £0 rated for VED (Vehicle Excise Duty).
I always do it at my local post office as it gives me a sense of amusement that they process the paper work, I give pay them zero and they give a receipt for zero. One of life's little pleasures.
I always do it at my local post office as it gives me a sense of amusement that they process the paper work, I give pay them zero and they give a receipt for zero. One of life's little pleasures.
You can imagine my joy when I realised my 1985 registered cb400n superdream was actually an NB built in 1981. Email off to honda and I got the Date of Manufacture back, April this year became Tax Exempt and MOT exempt.
And at £69 a year for insurance Including breakdown cover their can't be much cheaper ways of getting about!
And at £69 a year for insurance Including breakdown cover their can't be much cheaper ways of getting about!
There's a bit of an anomaly where it becomes MOT exempt at 40 years old but the details used to say as long as it is registered as 'Historic'. It can't be registered as Historic until a minimum of 40 years and 3 months. Will be interesting to see if you'll be able to tax it whilst it is MOT exempt but not yet Tax exempt.
Cheers for the help guys.
Carl, bike was probably built in 81, will try and date it from the chassis number.
I know it still has to be "taxed" each year when exempt, just no charge, my last classic was a 72 Pontiac Firebird, there was no doubt that was exempt though i did have to get an MOT to register it in the UK it didn't need one after that.
My confusion with the bike is that it's right on the edge of being exempt.
sixor8 said:
You are correct that it is exempt MoT as soon as it is 40. But the rolling forward of 40-year exemption for VED only occurs once per year on 1st
April. So, from April this year, 1981 cars and older became exempt. Up to this date you have to buy it.
So am i right in thinking my 1982 bike will be Tax exempt from next April ?April. So, from April this year, 1981 cars and older became exempt. Up to this date you have to buy it.
Carl, bike was probably built in 81, will try and date it from the chassis number.
I know it still has to be "taxed" each year when exempt, just no charge, my last classic was a 72 Pontiac Firebird, there was no doubt that was exempt though i did have to get an MOT to register it in the UK it didn't need one after that.
My confusion with the bike is that it's right on the edge of being exempt.
InitialDave said:
The misalignment of tax and mot exemption does make things hard work.
If you can show that your bike was built in 1981, even though it was registered in 1982, it would be tax exempt now.
If not, yes, April 2023.
My bike has a 82 plate, but manufactured 1980.If you can show that your bike was built in 1981, even though it was registered in 1982, it would be tax exempt now.
If not, yes, April 2023.
Stated the difference on the V5
rigga said:
My bike has a 82 plate, but manufactured 1980.
Stated the difference on the V5
There's the date of first registration and date of first registration in the UK, but as far as I'm aware, the declaration of manufacture year is only included if someone specifically tells them.Stated the difference on the V5
As this makes your bike tax exempt when it otherwise would not be, I suspect that's what has happened.
InitialDave said:
rigga said:
My bike has a 82 plate, but manufactured 1980.
Stated the difference on the V5
There's the date of first registration and date of first registration in the UK, but as far as I'm aware, the declaration of manufacture year is only included if someone specifically tells them.Stated the difference on the V5
As this makes your bike tax exempt when it otherwise would not be, I suspect that's what has happened.
Just highlighting if the date of manufacture can be proved , then that's the one to use for exemption.
rigga said:
UK bike, was used as a production racer before being registered for the road.
Just highlighting if the date of manufacture can be proved , then that's the one to use for exemption.
Apologies for the misunderstanding, I thought you were advising OP that he could find it on his V5C as it is now.Just highlighting if the date of manufacture can be proved , then that's the one to use for exemption.
I had a mini drama when applying for historic status on my Honda monkey bike in 2019. I can’t quite fully remember but I think the MOT was due to expire on say 27th March and I was applying for historic status to to allow me to get free VED from 1st April. The Post Office computers wouldn’t allow them to process it due to the MOT expiry being before exemption status. I ended up chucking it through an MOT just to make life easier, and then have never tested it since.
Turkish91 said:
I had a mini drama when applying for historic status on my Honda monkey bike in 2019. I can’t quite fully remember but I think the MOT was due to expire on say 27th March and I was applying for historic status to to allow me to get free VED from 1st April. The Post Office computers wouldn’t allow them to process it due to the MOT expiry being before exemption status. I ended up chucking it through an MOT just to make life easier, and then have never tested it since.
Timing issue with close proximity to dates maybe , as mine was laid up and no current mot in place before changing to historic class.Current valid mot is not a requirement.
rigga said:
Timing issue with close proximity to dates maybe , as mine was laid up and no current mot in place before changing to historic class.
Current valid mot is not a requirement.
Mine has been laid up too, not been MOT'd for years, looks like i'll just wait till next April to put it on the road.Current valid mot is not a requirement.
I MOT any vehicle I use on the road even if exempt.
The MOT is some peace of mind that the car, at one point between MOTs is roadworthy. If I was to be unfortunate enough to be in an accident I know that “lack of MOT” is something I wouldn’t need to worry about. If you don’t have an MOT you still need to show car is roadworthy and, in my mind, the £50-60 is worth it for that.
To be honest I think it’s a stupid idea to not require an MOT for older vehicles.
The MOT is some peace of mind that the car, at one point between MOTs is roadworthy. If I was to be unfortunate enough to be in an accident I know that “lack of MOT” is something I wouldn’t need to worry about. If you don’t have an MOT you still need to show car is roadworthy and, in my mind, the £50-60 is worth it for that.
To be honest I think it’s a stupid idea to not require an MOT for older vehicles.
Miserablegit said:
I MOT any vehicle I use on the road even if exempt.
The MOT is some peace of mind that the car, at one point between MOTs is roadworthy. If I was to be unfortunate enough to be in an accident I know that “lack of MOT” is something I wouldn’t need to worry about. If you don’t have an MOT you still need to show car is roadworthy and, in my mind, the £50-60 is worth it for that.
To be honest I think it’s a stupid idea to not require an MOT for older vehicles.
I think it depends if the owner is mechanically competent. The MOT is some peace of mind that the car, at one point between MOTs is roadworthy. If I was to be unfortunate enough to be in an accident I know that “lack of MOT” is something I wouldn’t need to worry about. If you don’t have an MOT you still need to show car is roadworthy and, in my mind, the £50-60 is worth it for that.
To be honest I think it’s a stupid idea to not require an MOT for older vehicles.
My bike passed an MOT in 2021 after 12 months of recommissioning, there was still work to be done at this point but it was road legal. I have basically started at one end and worked my way through it (mechanically and electrically) and pretty much know every inch of it, and what needs looking at. If you buy an old vehicle, and don't understand the basic maintenance, or how it "should" feel when driving/riding, you should probably have it serviced and MOT'd by a competent mechanic.
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