Knife wielding idiot
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Just wondering if anyone can advise on likely outcomes:
Last night whilst walking the dog, I came into contact with a guy wielding what appeared to be a 10" or so knife. This was in a quiet residential street, with no-one else around. He was about 20m from me. He started shouting at me so I turned, crossed the road and walked the other way (sorry, I am not a company director, I did not dominate the footpath
). He followed me at walking pace, shouting repeatedly and once I had got onto a busier road I called the police. I was able to take cover in a local takeaway - he walked past a few seconds later seeming oblivious to me being the other side of a glass door. The police arrived en-masse about 10 minutes later and I understand he has been arrested. I have given a statement etc. What is the likely outcome for this nutter?
I don't think he would know me from Adam if we crossed paths again, but it was quite worrying at the time and I would prefer not to meet him under similar circumstances in the future!
Last night whilst walking the dog, I came into contact with a guy wielding what appeared to be a 10" or so knife. This was in a quiet residential street, with no-one else around. He was about 20m from me. He started shouting at me so I turned, crossed the road and walked the other way (sorry, I am not a company director, I did not dominate the footpath
). He followed me at walking pace, shouting repeatedly and once I had got onto a busier road I called the police. I was able to take cover in a local takeaway - he walked past a few seconds later seeming oblivious to me being the other side of a glass door. The police arrived en-masse about 10 minutes later and I understand he has been arrested. I have given a statement etc. What is the likely outcome for this nutter?I don't think he would know me from Adam if we crossed paths again, but it was quite worrying at the time and I would prefer not to meet him under similar circumstances in the future!
CoolHands said:
Probably a big telling off and in a couple of years he’ll knife someone to death while off his meds
Very sadly, yes.I'm sure I remember some years ago there was talk of it being an immediate custodial sentence for possession of a knife in public without good reason, but clearly it's not.
jmcc500 said:
Just wondering if anyone can advise on likely outcomes:
Last night whilst walking the dog, I came into contact with a guy wielding what appeared to be a 10" or so knife. This was in a quiet residential street, with no-one else around. He was about 20m from me. He started shouting at me so I turned, crossed the road and walked the other way (sorry, I am not a company director, I did not dominate the footpath). He followed me at walking pace, shouting repeatedly and once I had got onto a busier road I called the police. I was able to take cover in a local takeaway - he walked past a few seconds later seeming oblivious to me being the other side of a glass door. The police arrived en-masse about 10 minutes later and I understand he has been arrested. I have given a statement etc. What is the likely outcome for this nutter?
I don't think he would know me from Adam if we crossed paths again, but it was quite worrying at the time and I would prefer not to meet him under similar circumstances in the future!
Cool thinking and well handled. Taking on anyone with a knife is never going to end well.Last night whilst walking the dog, I came into contact with a guy wielding what appeared to be a 10" or so knife. This was in a quiet residential street, with no-one else around. He was about 20m from me. He started shouting at me so I turned, crossed the road and walked the other way (sorry, I am not a company director, I did not dominate the footpath
). He followed me at walking pace, shouting repeatedly and once I had got onto a busier road I called the police. I was able to take cover in a local takeaway - he walked past a few seconds later seeming oblivious to me being the other side of a glass door. The police arrived en-masse about 10 minutes later and I understand he has been arrested. I have given a statement etc. What is the likely outcome for this nutter?I don't think he would know me from Adam if we crossed paths again, but it was quite worrying at the time and I would prefer not to meet him under similar circumstances in the future!
PorkInsider said:
CoolHands said:
Probably a big telling off and in a couple of years he’ll knife someone to death while off his meds
Very sadly, yes.I'm sure I remember some years ago there was talk of it being an immediate custodial sentence for possession of a knife in public without good reason, but clearly it's not.
EmailAddress said:
PorkInsider said:
CoolHands said:
Probably a big telling off and in a couple of years he’ll knife someone to death while off his meds
Very sadly, yes.I'm sure I remember some years ago there was talk of it being an immediate custodial sentence for possession of a knife in public without good reason, but clearly it's not.
jmcc500 said:
Just wondering if anyone can advise on likely outcomes:
Last night whilst walking the dog, I came into contact with a guy wielding what appeared to be a 10" or so knife. This was in a quiet residential street, with no-one else around. He was about 20m from me. He started shouting at me so I turned, crossed the road and walked the other way (sorry, I am not a company director, I did not dominate the footpath). He followed me at walking pace, shouting repeatedly and once I had got onto a busier road I called the police. I was able to take cover in a local takeaway - he walked past a few seconds later seeming oblivious to me being the other side of a glass door. The police arrived en-masse about 10 minutes later and I understand he has been arrested. I have given a statement etc. What is the likely outcome for this nutter?
I don't think he would know me from Adam if we crossed paths again, but it was quite worrying at the time and I would prefer not to meet him under similar circumstances in the future!
You needed to be a "Powerfully Built Director" to intimidate him away. Last night whilst walking the dog, I came into contact with a guy wielding what appeared to be a 10" or so knife. This was in a quiet residential street, with no-one else around. He was about 20m from me. He started shouting at me so I turned, crossed the road and walked the other way (sorry, I am not a company director, I did not dominate the footpath
). He followed me at walking pace, shouting repeatedly and once I had got onto a busier road I called the police. I was able to take cover in a local takeaway - he walked past a few seconds later seeming oblivious to me being the other side of a glass door. The police arrived en-masse about 10 minutes later and I understand he has been arrested. I have given a statement etc. What is the likely outcome for this nutter?I don't think he would know me from Adam if we crossed paths again, but it was quite worrying at the time and I would prefer not to meet him under similar circumstances in the future!
Many thanks for getting lunatic scrote off streets!
Edited by NFT on Saturday 4th November 14:24
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Always remember watching this.
Excellent! I actually thought hard about whether to walk or run, and I figured that until he ran I was better off just walking away and keeping some distance between us, particularly as our dog (who still hasn't forgiven me for wasting his walk time hiding in a takeaway shop) is rather geriatric and could well have ended up either slowing me down or tripping me up!jmcc500 said:
LosingGrip said:
Perfect - thank you!The person has 'threatened the OP with an offensive weapon"
Threatening with a weapon: the mandatory minimum sentence for threatening offences is 6 months’ custody; the maximum sentence is four years’ custody.
jmcc500 said:
LosingGrip said:
Perfect - thank you!Overview of offences
The version which involves threats seems to be more appropriate.
Bladed articles and offensive weapons - threats
Problem with the whole "string em up" approach to carrying a knife is the ridiculous way it is interpreted on the street.
When I was 18 I got cautioned for carrying a knife. It was a pocket knife which happened to have a locking mechanism on it. The presence of a locking mechanism made the difference between it being something I might use to get a stone out of a horses hoof and something I might use to 'chef someone up'.
I was told further down the line by people with better legal knowledge than an 18 YO that I should've refused the caution because it was a silly bust and they wouldn't have gone ahead with it if I had made it difficult for them.
Point is though... would I have gone to prison for that first time offence if we decided as a society to follow the authoritarian approach favoured by so many? The police really seem to think a polite middle class boy driving around in a brand new car has homicidal tendencies and refused to believe my story that I had the knife for opening boxes in my job as an office manager looking after the stationary for a 300-person site. "no, you're a murderer"
I guess the best thing would be if you could somehow create a law which simultaneously allowed people to be busted for a first time offence or completely exonerated based on context.
When I was 18 I got cautioned for carrying a knife. It was a pocket knife which happened to have a locking mechanism on it. The presence of a locking mechanism made the difference between it being something I might use to get a stone out of a horses hoof and something I might use to 'chef someone up'.
I was told further down the line by people with better legal knowledge than an 18 YO that I should've refused the caution because it was a silly bust and they wouldn't have gone ahead with it if I had made it difficult for them.
Point is though... would I have gone to prison for that first time offence if we decided as a society to follow the authoritarian approach favoured by so many? The police really seem to think a polite middle class boy driving around in a brand new car has homicidal tendencies and refused to believe my story that I had the knife for opening boxes in my job as an office manager looking after the stationary for a 300-person site. "no, you're a murderer"
I guess the best thing would be if you could somehow create a law which simultaneously allowed people to be busted for a first time offence or completely exonerated based on context.
ingenieur said:
Problem with the whole "string em up" approach to carrying a knife is the ridiculous way it is interpreted on the street.
When I was 18 I got cautioned for carrying a knife. It was a pocket knife which happened to have a locking mechanism on it. The presence of a locking mechanism made the difference between it being something I might use to get a stone out of a horses hoof and something I might use to 'chef someone up'.
I was told further down the line by people with better legal knowledge than an 18 YO that I should've refused the caution because it was a silly bust and they wouldn't have gone ahead with it if I had made it difficult for them.
Point is though... would I have gone to prison for that first time offence if we decided as a society to follow the authoritarian approach favoured by so many? The police really seem to think a polite middle class boy driving around in a brand new car has homicidal tendencies and refused to believe my story that I had the knife for opening boxes in my job as an office manager looking after the stationary for a 300-person site. "no, you're a murderer"
I guess the best thing would be if you could somehow create a law which simultaneously allowed people to be busted for a first time offence or completely exonerated based on context.
My god you should have been hung on the spot... A safety feature that protects fingers, who needs that.When I was 18 I got cautioned for carrying a knife. It was a pocket knife which happened to have a locking mechanism on it. The presence of a locking mechanism made the difference between it being something I might use to get a stone out of a horses hoof and something I might use to 'chef someone up'.
I was told further down the line by people with better legal knowledge than an 18 YO that I should've refused the caution because it was a silly bust and they wouldn't have gone ahead with it if I had made it difficult for them.
Point is though... would I have gone to prison for that first time offence if we decided as a society to follow the authoritarian approach favoured by so many? The police really seem to think a polite middle class boy driving around in a brand new car has homicidal tendencies and refused to believe my story that I had the knife for opening boxes in my job as an office manager looking after the stationary for a 300-person site. "no, you're a murderer"
I guess the best thing would be if you could somehow create a law which simultaneously allowed people to be busted for a first time offence or completely exonerated based on context.
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