Speeding likely outcome

[Audimercorbm]

Anyone have any experience of advice

Son has just been caught doing 45 in a 20

Only had his license 6 months

What is the likely outcome?

From what I can work out he will probably lose his license

[VSKeith]

Looks like summons and disqualification/6 points + revocation
+ Band C fine.

All here:

http://andrew-thompson-fnlu.squarespace.com/news/2...

[LosingGrip]

Audimercorbm said:

Anyone have any experience of advice

Son has just been caught doing 45 in a 20

Only had his license 6 months

What is the likely outcome?

From what I can work out he will probably lose his license

As the person above said.

Not sure if AGTLaw can advise on what is better long term.

Personally I'd want a ban due to the waiting times for retaking your tests etc.

[giantdefy]

LosingGrip said:

Personally I'd want a ban due to the waiting times for retaking your tests etc.

Courts are specifically required to not ban people who would otherwise get 6 points leading to a revocation.

[loskie]

Dad: I hope you have given him a bking.

[agtlaw]

giantdefy said:

Courts are specifically required to not ban people who would otherwise get 6 points leading to a revocation.

Not quite.

The relevant guideline:

"An offender liable for an endorsement which will cause the licence to be revoked under the new drivers’ provisions may ask the court to disqualify rather than impose points. This will avoid the requirement to take a further test. Generally, this would be inappropriate since it would circumvent the clear intention of Parliament."

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-m...

Guideline, yes.

Law, no.

[LosingGrip]

agtlaw said:

Not quite.

The relevant guideline:

"An offender liable for an endorsement which will cause the licence to be revoked under the new drivers’ provisions may ask the court to disqualify rather than impose points. This will avoid the requirement to take a further test. Generally, this would be inappropriate since it would circumvent the clear intention of Parliament."

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-m...

Guideline, yes.

Law, no.

Interesting, thanks for posting! I always wondered what they would do. Makes sense.

[Audimercorbm]

He's had a bking alright
Funnily enough his car is in the garage having damage repaired from some of his other st driving as his xmas present
Not sure I will give him the car back

Some of the nonsense he's coming out with like fighting it with a lawyer... obviously he would be expecting us to pay.. his mates ideas. fking kids !!

We thought he had got away with it as this happened in October and I read something about 14 days for the police to inform you

He also told me he was only going about 30

[bus_ter]

They do have 14 days to send the NIP afaik. He heard nothing since October?!

[agtlaw]

bus_ter said:

They do have 14 days to send the NIP afaik. He heard nothing since October?!

Not applicable if warned at the time the offence was committed.

6 months to institute proceedings.

[Johnson897210]

Nonsense limits and easily done.

That said the brakist loons have taken over the asylum nowadays. Expect no less than…

[Patio]

Sounds like the lads got a lot to learn

Hopefully this shocks him in to using his head and at least no one was hurt

[VSKeith]

Johnson897210 said:

Nonsense limits and easily done.

That said the brakist loons have taken over the asylum nowadays. Expect no less than…

Oh, go on then.

Likely almost 50 indicated in a 20? Easily done? A nonsense limit when you've no idea of the context?

[LunarOne]

VSKeith said:

Johnson897210 said:

Nonsense limits and easily done.

That said the brakist loons have taken over the asylum nowadays. Expect no less than…

Oh, go on then.

Likely almost 50 indicated in a 20? Easily done? A nonsense limit when you've no idea of the context?

I'm as anti-overzealous speed enforcement as you can get, but assuming the 20 should have been a 30, 45 is still a bit much considering that as Keith says, the speedo was very likely reading close to 50mph. Sorry, but OP's son had it coming.

[FWIW]

Doesn’t he have a black box?

[Pica-Pica]

FWIW said:

Doesn’t he have a black box?

He has two black bo***x according to the OP

[E-bmw]

LunarOne said:

VSKeith said:

Johnson897210 said:

Nonsense limits and easily done.

That said the brakist loons have taken over the asylum nowadays. Expect no less than…

Oh, go on then.

Likely almost 50 indicated in a 20? Easily done? A nonsense limit when you've no idea of the context?

I'm as anti-overzealous speed enforcement as you can get, but assuming the 20 should have been a 30, 45 is still a bit much considering that as Keith says, the speedo was very likely reading close to 50mph. Sorry, but OP's son had it coming.

Yes, but you have completely missed the bit about paying attention rather than "assuming" a speed limit.

He will have been travelling at an almost indicated 50 in a 20, taking that in the context of the OP's other statements, I would be letting him deal with it 100% himself, he needs to start learning life lessons real soon or he will end up like my son.

A DUI ban, 2 write offs, a night in prison, another DUI before he started to realise that he isn't god.

[Audimercorbm]

No we didn't go for a black box policy in the end. Think it was 2800 with one and just over 3000 without

I am imagining if and when he gets his license back he will only be able to get a policy with a black box

I've been doing a bit of reading and it seems his license will be revoked, but he can then apply for his provisional straight away and try to book and pass his theory as soon as he gets it. There's a lot of selling of test places round by us so he could probably be back on the road I a few months!!!

Seems there should be some sort of ban, I'd say 6 months or so minimum

He took 5 times to pass his theory and 6 to pass the practical the first time round so I doubt he will be on the road anytime soon

But then he has shown me that if he plead guilty he would probably get 7 to 56 day ban and not have to retest!!!

Reading up it seems that could be true although the guidelines are to revoke if they are in the first 2 years

[Monkeylegend]

Insurance might be a tad more expensive when he declares his punishment.

[surveyor]

Audimercorbm said:

No we didn't go for a black box policy in the end. Think it was 2800 with one and just over 3000 without

I am imagining if and when he gets his license back he will only be able to get a policy with a black box

I've been doing a bit of reading and it seems his license will be revoked, but he can then apply for his provisional straight away and try to book and pass his theory as soon as he gets it. There's a lot of selling of test places round by us so he could probably be back on the road I a few months!!!

Seems there should be some sort of ban, I'd say 6 months or so minimum

He took 5 times to pass his theory and 6 to pass the practical the first time round so I doubt he will be on the road anytime soon

But then he has shown me that if he plead guilty he would probably get 7 to 56 day ban and not have to retest!!!

Reading up it seems that could be true although the guidelines are to revoke if they are in the first 2 years

My step-sons experience was that the courts know when they passed the test, and know the intention of the law... He is likely I suspect to get 6 points.

Step-lad got his points shortly after covid. Getting his tests passed (which he did not find easy first time around) took some time...