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Hi,
Im currently writing an essay on The Social Construction of Speeding. Namely I will be writing about how speed has been socially constructed to be inherently dangerous. One such example I will use is the perceived threshold of 100mph, i.e. as I have read here, if a person is caught travelling more than 100mph they get an instant ban due to the severity of the offence. Is there any particualr rule or regulation or even case-law that this is from?
Also any sources that you think would be useful generally would be great (got the usual suspects, safespeed, peepioo, ABD).
Thanks,
Ben
Im currently writing an essay on The Social Construction of Speeding. Namely I will be writing about how speed has been socially constructed to be inherently dangerous. One such example I will use is the perceived threshold of 100mph, i.e. as I have read here, if a person is caught travelling more than 100mph they get an instant ban due to the severity of the offence. Is there any particualr rule or regulation or even case-law that this is from?
Also any sources that you think would be useful generally would be great (got the usual suspects, safespeed, peepioo, ABD).
Thanks,
Ben
(not printed though 
) if you feel like reading it. 
catso said:
if a person is caught travelling more than 100mph they get an instant ban due to the severity of the offence.
I've been caught in excess of 100 and not got a ban, so it's not always the case.
Yeah, having read into its an automatic court apperance. I love the web, rather than just having a general moan about magistrates sentencing guidlines, I have now been able to pin poiint the exact page in the Bench Book that it is advised!
@ pentoman, yeah will be good to read, send it my way!
Ben
I was listening to Radio 5 on ..er Monday (I think) and [bike man)Nick Berry and Quentin Wilson were on....
Nick recounted a story about the day he was stopped by the police for going too slowly..........................................................at 155 mph!
It seems he had gone to Munich to test a new bike for the TV prog, on the autobahn it topped out at a "limited" euro 155 mph. Then he noticed the dreaded blue lights behind him, and pulled over. The police officer explained to him that he cannot simply just sit in the outside lane at 155 mph because other people want to go faster!...
As they were talking an Audi and a Porsche passed them at an estimated 175 mph!....
Oh! If only.....
auch we're doomed, we're doomed a'tell ye!)
Nick recounted a story about the day he was stopped by the police for going too slowly..........................................................at 155 mph!
It seems he had gone to Munich to test a new bike for the TV prog, on the autobahn it topped out at a "limited" euro 155 mph. Then he noticed the dreaded blue lights behind him, and pulled over. The police officer explained to him that he cannot simply just sit in the outside lane at 155 mph because other people want to go faster!...
As they were talking an Audi and a Porsche passed them at an estimated 175 mph!....
Oh! If only.....
auch we're doomed, we're doomed a'tell ye!)
I know the law is the law but 100 mph in a car that is falling to bits is obviously more dangerous than a car that is designed to go that fast & has brakes & handling to match and also being driven sensibly, I would hope that some attention would be paid to this and it would help in the event of being caught.
medusa said:
I know the law is the law but 100 mph in a car that is falling to bits is obviously more dangerous than a car that is designed to go that fast & has brakes & handling to match and also being driven sensibly, I would hope that some attention would be paid to this and it would help in the event of being caught.
No the law is bollox time to take up arms and delete the law.
Interesting topic. Would be good if you could post it on PH, I for one would be interested in reading it.
It is my understanding that if you are accused of a speed more than 25mph over the limit, then you must face the magistrates. On a motorway, this is of course 96 and above.
Below 25mph over the limit the PC can offer the conditional offer of the 3 points and £60.
On a 60 or 70mph limit 31mph over the limit would result in 6 points or the consideration of a 14-56 day ban, according to the magistrates guidelines.
I suppose this is maybe the start of the self imposed limits. The first at 96mph, (which is really 100 on a car speedo as they over-read) will mean that you will get 3 points. Above this from 96-100 then 4-5 points are considered, then at 101 and above you can be considered for a ban.
Thus, logically if you are doing 95 you will receive less than half of the punishment than for 101, so is that 6mph extra really worth it. Conversely, if you are going to do 101, it may as well be a bit more!
It is my understanding that if you are accused of a speed more than 25mph over the limit, then you must face the magistrates. On a motorway, this is of course 96 and above.
Below 25mph over the limit the PC can offer the conditional offer of the 3 points and £60.
On a 60 or 70mph limit 31mph over the limit would result in 6 points or the consideration of a 14-56 day ban, according to the magistrates guidelines.
I suppose this is maybe the start of the self imposed limits. The first at 96mph, (which is really 100 on a car speedo as they over-read) will mean that you will get 3 points. Above this from 96-100 then 4-5 points are considered, then at 101 and above you can be considered for a ban.
Thus, logically if you are doing 95 you will receive less than half of the punishment than for 101, so is that 6mph extra really worth it. Conversely, if you are going to do 101, it may as well be a bit more!
8Pack said:
The police officer explained to him that he cannot simply just
sit in the outside lane at 155 mph because other people want to
go faster!...
Lane discipline is strict in Germany. Plenty of folks
will want to go faster [ Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, ...]
8Pack said:
As they were talking an Audi and a Porsche passed them at an
estimated 175 mph!....
Looks like someone took the restrictor off their Audi.
As far as the topic is concerned, 100 mph is just round numbers
by the law makers back in 1965.
This law is ripe for repeal.
Things have moved on in the last forty years, even in UK.
medusa said:
I know the law is the law but 100 mph in a car that is falling to bits is obviously more dangerous than a car that is designed to go that fast & has brakes & handling to match and also being driven sensibly, I would hope that some attention would be paid to this and it would help in the event of being caught.
That was my recent experience, 3pts for 98. PC Whatever said that had I been doing the same speed in "some old smoker" then I would have been up before the beak, also the fact that I'd seen them at the same time they'd spotted me helped my position.
medusa said:
...100 mph in a car that is falling to bits is obviously more dangerous than a car that is designed to go that fast & has brakes & handling to match and also being driven sensibly, I would hope that some attention would be paid to this and it would help in the event of being caught.
Totally agree. I'd much rather see someone doing 100+mph on the motorway in a 'proper' performance car than seeing someone do 75 in a D-reg Metro with all the stopping power of the brakes on a Raleigh Chopper being piloted by Big Daddy on the Snowdon descent...
I'm sure the bib take into consideration the condition of vehicles whizzing along at 90plus before deciding who to pull over. (As there are so many to choose from).
I don't see any particular reason why an old Metro, or similar vehicle should be any more dangerous, providing it has been properly maintained.
At 90, the driver might be a bit deaf from the noise though.
I don't see any particular reason why an old Metro, or similar vehicle should be any more dangerous, providing it has been properly maintained.
At 90, the driver might be a bit deaf from the noise though.
grahamw48 said:
I'm sure the bib take into consideration the condition of vehicles whizzing along at 90plus before deciding who to pull over.
You're right, BiB can take factors other than arbitary speed into account. Unfortunately for me a mobile gatso hidden in the bushes alongside a deserted dual carriageway at 11pm on a saturday night can't make an informed decision!
>> Edited by trev r on Thursday 3rd November 17:11
apache said:
christ my mundano is doing 3000 rpm @ 110mph and is deathly
quiet it really is absurd isn't it?
Crikey that's low gearing.
My E39 does 3000 rpm at 90 mph and 4000 rpm at 120 mph.
Faster than that, I don't know - I'm watching the road, not the dials.
It doesn't really start to work for its money until 130 mph.
Then it gets a bit noisy.
Below 100 mph, you can hear a fly change it's mind.
medusa said:
I know the law is the law but 100 mph in a car that is falling to bits is obviously more dangerous than a car that is designed to go that fast & has brakes & handling to match and also being driven sensibly, I would hope that some attention would be paid to this and it would help in the event of being caught.
Of course, your uprated brakes don't stop you any faster.
100mph+ on motorway will be too fast for an offer of fixed penalty so will result in a court summons.
The starting point for sentencing those sorts of speeds is a short ban or 6 points. The magistrate will go from there according to mitigating circumstances, aggravating circumstances, discounts for guilty pleas etc etc.
The starting point for sentencing those sorts of speeds is a short ban or 6 points. The magistrate will go from there according to mitigating circumstances, aggravating circumstances, discounts for guilty pleas etc etc.
That was the article I wrote:
www.knapplane.plus.com/motors/0704.htm
Sorry I forgot to post sooner, I can never keep tracking of conversations I'm in!
Russell
www.knapplane.plus.com/motors/0704.htm
Sorry I forgot to post sooner, I can never keep tracking of conversations I'm in!
Russell
8Pack said:
...stopped by the police for going too slowly...at 155 mph!
...noticed the dreaded blue lights behind and pulled over. The police officer explained to him that he cannot simply just sit in the outside lane at 155 mph because other people want to go faster!
Eminently sensible policies for a happier Fatherland.
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