Road Traffic Bill
Discussion
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldbills/033/06033.i-iii.html
Whilst checking out any ammendments to the bill (still no mention of banning laser jammers/detectors etc)
But notice that anyone holding an old paper driving licence, will have to change them in for a photo ID style one
Whilst checking out any ammendments to the bill (still no mention of banning laser jammers/detectors etc)
But notice that anyone holding an old paper driving licence, will have to change them in for a photo ID style one
Look at Section 16 Woof.
Thereby they lay down the authority to bring in by Statutory Instrument a ban on speed detecting devices which they are going to do.
Recent amendment put forward during discussion:
Nothing in this section shall prohibit a device that can—
(a) reveal or indicate the prevailing speed limit to the driver of a vehicle;
(b) provide a warning if the prevailing speed limit is being exceeded; or
(c) automatically prevent the driver from inadvertently exceeding the prevailing speed limit."
dvd
Thereby they lay down the authority to bring in by Statutory Instrument a ban on speed detecting devices which they are going to do.
Recent amendment put forward during discussion:
Nothing in this section shall prohibit a device that can—
(a) reveal or indicate the prevailing speed limit to the driver of a vehicle;
(b) provide a warning if the prevailing speed limit is being exceeded; or
(c) automatically prevent the driver from inadvertently exceeding the prevailing speed limit."
dvd
woof said:
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldbills/033/06033.i-iii.html
Whilst checking out any ammendments to the bill (still no mention of banning laser jammers/detectors etc)
But notice that anyone holding an old paper driving licence, will have to change them in for a photo ID style one
I've written to my MP complaining about the prospect of being forced to change to a Photo License - which IIRC, isn't the license anyway.
Maybe this will help:
Clause 17: Speed assessment equipment detection devices
60. Clause 17 amends section 41 of the RTA ("the RTA"
. Section 41(1) of the RTA is an enabling provision empowering the Secretary of State to "make regulations generally as to the use of motor vehicles and trailers on roads, their construction and equipment and the conditions under which they may be so used". The amendment means that it will be possible to PROHIBIT a vehicle being FITTED WITH, or a person USING A VEHICLE CARRYING "speed assessment equipment detection devices" by means of regulations under section 41 of the RTA. The amendment defines a "speed assessment equipment detection device" as "a device, the purpose, or one of the purposes, of which is to detect, or interfere with the operation of equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles". The precise subset of the devices which will be prohibited will be identified in the regulations made under section 41 of the RTA but it is not intended to include in the prohibition those devices that only contain information about camera site locations.
61. A person who breaches a speed assessment equipment detection device requirement shall be guilty of an offence and liable to the same penalty as if they had been convicted of exceeding a prescribed speed limit, which means that the financial penalties will be higher if the offence is committed on a special road.
The Bill itself is still under discussion and whilst the above gives some iundication what they have in mind we will only know what the outcome is when it gets royal assent. It is without doubt a rat bag of bits and pieces.
dvd
Clause 17: Speed assessment equipment detection devices
60. Clause 17 amends section 41 of the RTA ("the RTA"
. Section 41(1) of the RTA is an enabling provision empowering the Secretary of State to "make regulations generally as to the use of motor vehicles and trailers on roads, their construction and equipment and the conditions under which they may be so used". The amendment means that it will be possible to PROHIBIT a vehicle being FITTED WITH, or a person USING A VEHICLE CARRYING "speed assessment equipment detection devices" by means of regulations under section 41 of the RTA. The amendment defines a "speed assessment equipment detection device" as "a device, the purpose, or one of the purposes, of which is to detect, or interfere with the operation of equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles". The precise subset of the devices which will be prohibited will be identified in the regulations made under section 41 of the RTA but it is not intended to include in the prohibition those devices that only contain information about camera site locations. 61. A person who breaches a speed assessment equipment detection device requirement shall be guilty of an offence and liable to the same penalty as if they had been convicted of exceeding a prescribed speed limit, which means that the financial penalties will be higher if the offence is committed on a special road.
The Bill itself is still under discussion and whilst the above gives some iundication what they have in mind we will only know what the outcome is when it gets royal assent. It is without doubt a rat bag of bits and pieces.
dvd
Dwight VanDriver said:
Look at Section 16 Woof.
Thereby they lay down the authority to bring in by Statutory Instrument a ban on speed detecting devices which they are going to do.
Recent amendment put forward during discussion:
Nothing in this section shall prohibit a device that can—
(a) reveal or indicate the prevailing speed limit to the driver of a vehicle;
(b) provide a warning if the prevailing speed limit is being exceeded; or
(c) automatically prevent the driver from inadvertently exceeding the prevailing speed limit."
dvd
does that therefore mean that we have to remove our speedos as it may warn me that i am exceeding the speed limit and will therefore be deemed illegal
BigBob said:
I've written to my MP complaining about the prospect of being forced to change to a Photo License - which IIRC, isn't the license anyway.
This is one thing that really pisses me off. We're not obliged to carry the license, and a 2 part photocard license serves no puropse unless both parts are present so whats the point? ID cards by the back door anyone? How long before it becomes compulsory to carry the photocard part when driving? (which is most journeys due to the ineffective public transport system). Before long most of the adult population will be walking round with an ID card...
timf said:
Nothing in this section shall prohibit a device that can—
(a) reveal or indicate the prevailing speed limit to the driver of a vehicle;
(b) provide a warning if the prevailing speed limit is being exceeded; or
(c) automatically prevent the driver from inadvertently exceeding the prevailing speed limit."
does that therefore mean that we have to remove our speedos as it may warn me that i am exceeding the speed limit and will therefore be deemed illegal
Nope - that list is a *restriction* on what they can ban at a later date, it is effectively making sure that (say) should somebody develop a device which displays the current limit on the dash, it won't be inadvertently banned by any order under this Act.
Gareth
tvr 3x said:
So if I build a device that senses a Gatso or laser device and then uses a GPS fix to determine the local speed limit and then checks that I am at or below the local speed limit and beeps me if I am not - this device would appear to be OK.
Just to let you know you've been caught you mean?
Surely the NIP tells you the same?
echo said:
So if I build a device that senses a Gatso or laser device and then uses a GPS fix to determine the local speed limit and then checks that I am at or below the local speed limit and beeps me if I am not - this device would appear to be OK.
Just to let you know you've been caught you mean?
Surely the NIP tells you the same?
If the device was miscalibrated it might indicate on the approach to a Gatso or if somebody else was being lasered!
This Bill really is a rat bag of sheer control freakery isn't it ?
22 Breach of duty to give information as to identity of driver etc.
Section 172 offences are to be upped to 6 points from 3. Scumbags the lot of them. Good job that the vehicles are registered in a company name and the Co Sec is an internet company eh !
23
Offence of keeping vehicle which does not meet insurance requirements
Looks like our lords and masters are arranging another nice earner for themselves - £ 100 FP for allowing your insurance to lapse for even a day while your car is safely off the road. All dreamed up by a Noo Labour zealot Prof Green and a large insurance company based in East Anglia.
22 Breach of duty to give information as to identity of driver etc.
Section 172 offences are to be upped to 6 points from 3. Scumbags the lot of them. Good job that the vehicles are registered in a company name and the Co Sec is an internet company eh !
23
Offence of keeping vehicle which does not meet insurance requirements
Looks like our lords and masters are arranging another nice earner for themselves - £ 100 FP for allowing your insurance to lapse for even a day while your car is safely off the road. All dreamed up by a Noo Labour zealot Prof Green and a large insurance company based in East Anglia.
Actually just read this as I was worried it meant you had to insure a car at all times even if you had SORNed it.
Which is thankfully means if a car is SORN'ed then it doesn't need to be insured.
road crapshit act said:
144B
Exceptions to section 144A offence
snip
(5)
The fourth condition is that—
(a) the registered keeper is at the relevant time the person keeping
the vehicle,
(b)
at the relevant time the vehicle is not used on a road or other
public place,
Which is thankfully means if a car is SORN'ed then it doesn't need to be insured.
There are plenty of circumstances when you would garage a car and not insure it and not SORN it.
For instance I keep rally car taxed at garage of prep co and who can test it on their own insurance. Most rally cars are taxed but not insured all year round taking out on event insurance only.
For instance I keep rally car taxed at garage of prep co and who can test it on their own insurance. Most rally cars are taxed but not insured all year round taking out on event insurance only.
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