Crashes increase despite scamera growth
Gatsos ineffective at preventing fatalities despite increased car safety
Speed cameras don't stop car crashes after all, you'll be amazed to hear. Instead, according to statistics recently released by the Government, crashes involving 'excessive speed' have increased significantly in the last five years -- the period when the emphasis on speed cameras has been at its peak. However, cars are now safer in the unfortunate event of a crash than just five years ago -- see below.
In response to a parliamentary question, roads minister Dr Stephen Ladyman revealed that 'excessive speed' crashes have increased markedly in recent years as the speed camera programme has expanded.
Percentage of crashes involving 'excessive speed':
Year Fatal Serious
1999 29% 12%
2000 26% 12%
2001 27% 12%
2002 30% 13%
2003 30% 14%
2004 34% 13%
Founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign Paul Smith said: "It's no surprise to me that 'excessive speed' crashes are increasing as the speed camera network expands. Speed cameras give a series of false safety messages. One important false message is that 'if you're not exceeding the limit your speed is safe'. Nothing could be further from the truth, yet we have millions of motorists who now regard the speedometer as a barometer of safety.
"We need drivers who respond to hazards and slow down in areas of danger. Obeying the speed limit is no substitute for this vital and commonplace driver behaviour, yet the government appears to wish motorists to drive at the speed limit.
"If speed cameras did not reduce 'excessive speed' crashes they would be useless. But if excessive speed crashes increase as speed cameras increase then speed cameras are deadly. That's exactly what we're seeing and exactly what I've long been predicting. Speed cameras have proved to be a fatal mistake."
Safer cars today
Meanwhile, the safety of some types of car, from the occupants' perspective, has increased five-fold. That's a result of ten years of crash testing under the Euro New Car Assessment Programme (NCAP).
Seen as controversial by the motor industry ten years ago, the programme has helped to save lives across Europe. Safety ratings of similar category cars have gone from one star to five stars in less than ten years due to the influence of the Euro NCAP, according to the RAC Foundation.
Research shows that as far as the risk of serious injury or death is concerned, cars which score three or four stars in Euro NCAP tests were about 30 per cent safer compared with two stars or cars with no score.
NCAP was established in 1995 and the first tests were supported by the Department for Transport, International Testing, the Swedish National Road Administration, the FIA, the AA and the RAC.
The first cars were tested in February1997 and brought dramatic and shocking results. The worst performer for occupant safety was the Rover 100, which was only awarded one star for protection in frontal and side impact. Up until these first tests the UK consumer did not know if a particular car was safer than another car in the category. The poor performance of the Rover 100 had dramatic results with some police forces refusing to use these cars and some mothers refusing to use child minders who ferried children around in these vehicles.
The motor industry was up in arms about the tests claiming that the cars were crashed at unrealistic speeds (40mph for frontal impact and 30mph for side impact). This was the first time in the UK that a series of crash tests had been conducted where the results were made available to everyone.
The UK’s Transport Research Laboratory (TRL) played a key role in developing these tests. All the cars tested were bought anonymously to ensure that each was a normal production model. Since the early days more than £6 million has been spent on purchasing more than 400 cars representing more than 200 different car models. For the tests two examples of each car were purchased in order to conduct both frontal and side-impact tests.
Carmakers embrace NCAP ratings
After initial resistance from the motor manufacturers to the crash-testing programme certain manufacturers broke ranks and started to use the Euro NCAP results as an integral part of their marketing strategy. Now it is common to see Euro NCAP 5 stars emblazoned across print and broadcasting advertising, as well as across the rear window of many cars.
It is interesting to make some comparisons between the first cars crashed and results of most recent tests on the current equivalent models.
The Fiat Punto and Renault Clio both scored two stars in occupant protection in 1997 but five stars in 2005. The Ford Fiesta and Nissan Micra also scored two stars for occupant protection in 1997 but four stars in 2003. The VW Polo scored three stars in 1997 and four stars in 2002. The Rover 100 scored one star in 1997 and soon went out of production so was never re-tested.
“In the new Fiat Punto” TRL explains, “the structure surrounding the occupants has been drastically improved, providing a rigid safety cell which is more capable of withstanding the impact forces. In addition to improvements in structural safety, advanced occupant restraint systems have also been developed which provide greater control of the occupants’ deceleration during an impact. Such systems include dual seat-belt pre-tensioners and load limiting seat belts.”
Progress on pedestrian safety has been slower but more recent results are encouraging.
Comment
Road Safety Minister Stephen Ladyman, said: "When the UK Government started its NCAP programme a decade ago, it was almost impossible to assess the comparative safety of passenger cars. But in collaboration with the FIA and others, EuroNCAP has pioneered a ratings system that is both a benchmark for manufacturers and a quality assurance for the consumer. Over the last 10 years, the number of stars achieving five stars has vastly increased, and people looking for crash protection now have real choice in the new car market. I look forward to what Euro NCAP can achieve in the future".
Executive director of the RAC Foundation Edmund King said: “Euro NCAP has transformed in-car safety. I was shocked and felt physically sick looking at some of the first cars crashed. Having seen some of the results close up I vowed never to ever travel in certain cars but to campaign for safety improvements. It is gratifying to see that ten years later many of the poorer performers are now five star cars.”
David Ward, director general of the FIA Foundation said: “Euro NCAP placed car safety on the agenda and transformed vehicle design. Cars today routinely achieve five stars for occupant protection, as they should. Progress is being made on pedestrian protection, with the first four star car announced last week. The priority for Euro NCAP’s second decade must be on promoting active safety, such as electronic stability control, to improve crash prevention. I am proud that the FIA was involved at the very start of Euro NCAP, support which continues today through the FIA Foundation.”
TRL's Euro NCAP project manager James Ellway said: “Euro NCAP has provided vehicle manufacturers with an incentive to build safer cars as well as providing consumers with independent safety advice, which they can use to make an informed choice when buying a new car. Euro NCAP is playing a key role in helping to meet the UK Department for Transport's strategy for improving road safety (2000-2010), which aims to reduce the number of road deaths and serious injuries by 40 per cent.”
Thatcham's director of research Andrew Miller, said; "As Euro NCAP’s newest member, Thatcham, representing British Insurers, applauds the improvements in vehicle safety driven by the work of the programme. Euro NCAP's work in the last decade has seen occupant safety improve dramatically and now pedestrian safety is also at the forefront of manufacturers design priorities. The growing awareness amongst the motorist that safety is not an option but a right can surely be laid at feet of this powerful organisation."
safespeed said:
"But if excessive speed crashes increase as speed cameras increase then speed cameras are deadly."
is stretching it a bit. Sales of Digital TVs have also been on the increase over the same period - are they deadly too ?
If I'm right the numbers of fatal and serious accidents have come down in recent years so the proportion is not as accurate a reflection of reality as it might be
gifdy said:
Interesting stuff, and I agree with the main thrust of the article. However :
safespeed said:
"But if excessive speed crashes increase as speed cameras increase then speed cameras are deadly."
is stretching it a bit. Sales of Digital TVs have also been on the increase over the same period - are they deadly too ?
A bit condensed but not stretching it really. Are digital tvs affecting driving standards?, are they replacing trafpol? are they causing the emphasis to be shifted from being observant and aware of hazards with being observant and aware of cameras, lasers and talivans? are they causing bunching and panic braking?, are they allowing reckless, dangerous and illegal driving? are they causing 45mph convoys? are they the cause of impatient and reckless overtaking manouevers? etc, etc
Some say adhering to an out of date speed limit will make the roads safer and reduce accidents, so far all the evidence I've seen contradicts this. Some say using punitive measures to enforce this will succeed, so far all the evidence I've seen contradicts this too despite the rise in sales of digital tvs.
I expect that the increased use of speed camera's helps slow down cars at those accident blackspots, but like any road, any single bit of road can be an accident waiting to happen, and thats the problem. People are perhaps beginning to think, if there ain't a speed camera, and I'm going at the speed limit, it's safe!
Wonder if as we rely more on scamera's, both fixed and mobile, police numbers on the road have dropped?
If you could link that data, if some is available?
Dave
gifdy said:
Interesting stuff, and I agree with the main thrust of the article. However :
safespeed said:
"But if excessive speed crashes increase as speed cameras increase then speed cameras are deadly."
is stretching it a bit. Sales of Digital TVs have also been on the increase over the same period - are they deadly too ?
Journalists need strong comments. But I do believe there's a connection. Have a look at the section: "How do people have excessive speed accidents?" on page: www.safespeed.org.uk/effects.html
I've been highlighting this problem for years and predicting a consequent increase in excessive speed crashes. The first national time series data we got was yesterday and it precisely fits the trend I predicted.
anniesdad said:
Excessive speed can only be proven by reconstructing accidents, analysing data, measuring road markings, black boxes etc. Such tests are only carried out in serious/fatal accidents, which are of course, thankfully, in the minority of overall road traffic accidents. The percentages highlighted here can easily be misconstrued, as at first glance it appears that the percentages are extraordinarily high, whereas in reality the actual number of serious/fatal accidents is relatively low compared to the actual number of accidents happening on our roads.
When looking for fine changes in crash contributory factors, fatal crashes provide by far the best chance of getting real data because the degree of investigation is so much higher.
This whole policy is a total PISS TAKE, instigated and implemented by incompetents that understand or care nothing about road safety. SCAMS are there to make a point, cut costs by reducing active trafpol patrols, and raise revenue. On top of that, they are totally CYNICAL in where they place SCAMS, like Sunday mornings at 9am on virtually empty motorways, or rush hours near Loughor bridge in South Wales (a 30 zone over a bridge 200yds long between two national speed limit stretches. Twice in the last month I've seen 2 camera vans, over 10 police on foot, 2 unmarked cars, and 4 marked cars all within half a mile. I've NEVER seen an accident on the bridge in the 5 years I've been driving through there! It's ALL about catching people out, and NOT about safety. It STINKS, and it's destroyed ANY respect I had for traffic policing and policy.
shotokan said:
This is no surprise to me at all. SCAMS do NOT improve road safety, apart from when (on the odd occasion) we see them in sensible places like outside schools. ...
This whole policy is a total PISS TAKE, instigated and implemented by incompetents that understand or care nothing about road safety.
So how much do YOU know about road safety then? Most accidents involving children don't occur outside schools. The M4 cameras are the only non-urban motorway cameras in the UK.
Rather than getting yourself all angry and spouting off on PH about the subject I suggest you try and do some research first.
Oh - and that doesn't include looking at misleading pro-speed websites that twist statistics around to suit their cause more than any government ever did.
"1980 Met Traffic officers = 1500
Feb 2004 638 (just 375 actually on road policing duties)
50 short of target roll call, additional 20 in the recruitment process.
Out of those 375, cover is provided for major sporting & cultural events. eg 30-40 every Saturday during footy season, 24 for rugby matches @ Twickers, & e.g.150 for Notting Hill Carnival.
Of the remainder 138 are sergeants and inspectors in supervisory roles and 125 are dedicated fatal accident investigators"
PhantomPH said:
The statistic that will be focused on is the increase in 'excessive speed' crashes. The gov are not interested in the overall picture.
That’s right because they want to developed the road system into a self financing environment which can way that can be done is with speed cameras, they have got something planned for the motorways right now, what antagonises me is there comments about "zero tolerance for speeder" when they just about leave every other type of crime to spiral out of control
spnracing said:
Oh - and that doesn't include looking at misleading pro-speed websites that twist statistics around to suit their cause more than any government ever did.
Ahh yes. The totally non-specific slur. Are you refering to Safe Speed? If so then please identify an example (any example out of 400 pages) of 'twisted statistics'.
Other wise please have the common courtesy to exclude my painstaking work from you slurs.
And I don't know any 'pro-speed' websites.
jewhoo said:
spnracing said:
The M4 cameras are the only non-urban motorway cameras in the UK.
i would add all of the scameras on non-urban dual carriageways to that (eg A1 in Nottingham) what are they for if not revenue?
And I'd like to mention the talivans on the M6 in Cumbria, and the A74(M) in southern Scotland.
safespeed said:
gifdy said:
Interesting stuff, and I agree with the main thrust of the article. However :
safespeed said:
"But if excessive speed crashes increase as speed cameras increase then speed cameras are deadly."
is stretching it a bit. Sales of Digital TVs have also been on the increase over the same period - are they deadly too ?
Journalists need strong comments. But I do believe there's a connection. Have a look at the section: "How do people have excessive speed accidents?" on page: www.safespeed.org.uk/effects.html
I've been highlighting this problem for years and predicting a consequent increase in excessive speed crashes. The first national time series data we got was yesterday and it precisely fits the trend I predicted.
Yep, I appreciate that. I was referring to the logic in what is a definitive statement. There may well be other effects which have lead to the increase in speed crashes.
Your comments are usually well judged and considered - just thought that sounded a bit tabloid/ITV news - ish. Don't descend to their level
safespeed said:
spnracing said:
Oh - and that doesn't include looking at misleading pro-speed websites that twist statistics around to suit their cause more than any government ever did.
Ahh yes. The totally non-specific slur. Are you refering to Safe Speed? If so then please identify an example (any example out of 400 pages) of 'twisted statistics'.
Other wise please have the common courtesy to exclude my painstaking work from you slurs.
And I don't know any 'pro-speed' websites.
While you're at it SPN can you point us in the direction of the unbiased sources of information for us to make our own minds up

gifdy said:
Your comments are usually well judged and considered - just thought that sounded a bit tabloid/ITV news - ish. Don't descend to their level
There should always be comments suitable for The Sun AND The Times AND The Mail. That way a journalist can pick his own cherry from our PRs. So it's quite deliberate that comments appeal at different levels.
There is a conflict between my wearing the researcher/analyst hat and the advocate/media-friendly hat, but hey someone's got to do it...
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