Pro Speed Cam groups, argue with this!!!
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From www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk
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09:30 - 08 December 2005
Almost half of Lincolnshire's speed cameras are failing to prevent deaths and injuries on so-called accident black-spots.
Twenty out of 51 speed camera sites around the county have seen no drop in the number of accidents or casualties, an Echo investigation has revealed.
And at eight sites they have even gone up - leading to claims their effectiveness is limited, or even non-existent.
RAC spokesman Paul Hodgson claimed roadside cameras have limited effect.
"You have to ask generally whether the cameras change bad driving behaviour and our view is that they don't," he said.
"You quite often see the car in front with its brake lights on as it slows when passing the speed camera, then it will quickly accelerate again.
"There are many more kinds of dangerous driving such as stupid overtaking, tailgating and using a mobile phone while at the wheel which the cameras don't pick up."
Figures collected by Lincolnshire Road Safety Partnership compare accident rates three years before cameras were installed with accident rates in the years immediately after.
They show that, in eight locations, both the number of accidents and the number of people killed or injured has risen. At 14 sites death and casualty figures have gone up, even where the actual number of accidents has gone down or remained static.
On the A1 at Colsterworth, collisions rose from five to 25 after the camera was installed. The number of people killed went from one to three.
But Joanna Smith, of the road safety partnership, said the statistics can be misleading.
"In general the collisions that have occurred at camera sites in Lincolnshire since they were installed have not been speed-related," she said. "Throughout the county 76 per cent of fixed camera sites have seen a decrease in collisions."
Speed cameras cost £35,000 each and cost £5,000 to install. Police spend £750,322 on financing the cameras while highways authorities - Lincolnshire County Council and the Highways Agency - spend £378,903 and magistrates courts pay £95,782 to process the crime.
Stan McMillan, former chairman of the Lincolnshire group of the Royal Society of the Prevention of Accidents' advanced driver scheme, said: "The answer to these problems lies with educating people about how to use the road."
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Its very sad that anyone should die on the roads, it shouldn't have to happen.
However, from the above, can anyone really say the Speed Cams are actually working as safety aids??
Edited because I can't type!
>> Edited by funkyrobot on Thursday 8th December 19:20
CAUGHT OUT!
09:30 - 08 December 2005
Almost half of Lincolnshire's speed cameras are failing to prevent deaths and injuries on so-called accident black-spots.
Twenty out of 51 speed camera sites around the county have seen no drop in the number of accidents or casualties, an Echo investigation has revealed.
And at eight sites they have even gone up - leading to claims their effectiveness is limited, or even non-existent.
RAC spokesman Paul Hodgson claimed roadside cameras have limited effect.
"You have to ask generally whether the cameras change bad driving behaviour and our view is that they don't," he said.
"You quite often see the car in front with its brake lights on as it slows when passing the speed camera, then it will quickly accelerate again.
"There are many more kinds of dangerous driving such as stupid overtaking, tailgating and using a mobile phone while at the wheel which the cameras don't pick up."
Figures collected by Lincolnshire Road Safety Partnership compare accident rates three years before cameras were installed with accident rates in the years immediately after.
They show that, in eight locations, both the number of accidents and the number of people killed or injured has risen. At 14 sites death and casualty figures have gone up, even where the actual number of accidents has gone down or remained static.
On the A1 at Colsterworth, collisions rose from five to 25 after the camera was installed. The number of people killed went from one to three.
But Joanna Smith, of the road safety partnership, said the statistics can be misleading.
"In general the collisions that have occurred at camera sites in Lincolnshire since they were installed have not been speed-related," she said. "Throughout the county 76 per cent of fixed camera sites have seen a decrease in collisions."
Speed cameras cost £35,000 each and cost £5,000 to install. Police spend £750,322 on financing the cameras while highways authorities - Lincolnshire County Council and the Highways Agency - spend £378,903 and magistrates courts pay £95,782 to process the crime.
Stan McMillan, former chairman of the Lincolnshire group of the Royal Society of the Prevention of Accidents' advanced driver scheme, said: "The answer to these problems lies with educating people about how to use the road."
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Its very sad that anyone should die on the roads, it shouldn't have to happen.
However, from the above, can anyone really say the Speed Cams are actually working as safety aids??
Edited because I can't type!
>> Edited by funkyrobot on Thursday 8th December 19:20
funkyrobot said:
From www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk
But Joanna Smith, of the road safety partnership, said the statistics can be misleading.
No shit! 
"In general the collisions that have occurred at camera sites in Lincolnshire since they were installed have not been speed-related"
Sooooooo, accidents are still occuring, people are dying but they're not speed related now. Haven't we been saying this all....................oh forget it
Sooooooo, accidents are still occuring, people are dying but they're not speed related now. Haven't we been saying this all....................oh forget it
Balmoral Green said:
From www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk
But Joanna Smith, of the road safety partnership, said the statistics can be misleading.
Well they can after she's adjusted them to all be speed related.
Joanna Smith said:
"the statistics can be misleading."
Other people's statistics maybe?
Joanna Smith said:
"Throughout the county 76 per cent of fixed camera sites have seen a decrease in collisions."
But, of course, your statistic is not misleading?
Hiding behind "regression to the mean" is totally misleading, wouldn't you agree Mrs Smith?
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