Hypothetical Question - Bad Plod
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All hypothetically speaking.
Lets say a couple is seperating, but during the week they have to live in the same house. Let's also hypothetically imagine he is a TrafPol. Unfortunately, he is a little heavy handed and has bruised the soon to be ex partner on numerous occasions. For the purpose of the excercise, lets also imagine she now has a CD with these images on. She doesn't want to ruin his career, but she does want him to stop. The bruises are not as a result of punching, but from being grabbed firmly.
I am thinking of suggesting that she gives the CD to someone else and then tells him that she has given it to someone with instructions that if they see any more bruises they are to forward it officially and make a formal complaint. Obviously he wouldn't be told who has the CD.
The objective is just to make it stop, nothing more, nothing less. Anyone got any more suggestions?
Oh, and please don't turn it into an ACAB thread
Lets say a couple is seperating, but during the week they have to live in the same house. Let's also hypothetically imagine he is a TrafPol. Unfortunately, he is a little heavy handed and has bruised the soon to be ex partner on numerous occasions. For the purpose of the excercise, lets also imagine she now has a CD with these images on. She doesn't want to ruin his career, but she does want him to stop. The bruises are not as a result of punching, but from being grabbed firmly.
I am thinking of suggesting that she gives the CD to someone else and then tells him that she has given it to someone with instructions that if they see any more bruises they are to forward it officially and make a formal complaint. Obviously he wouldn't be told who has the CD.
The objective is just to make it stop, nothing more, nothing less. Anyone got any more suggestions?
Oh, and please don't turn it into an ACAB thread
I'm sorry if this sounds like an obvious question but has she or someone close to her tried speaking to him and telling him that if he doesn't desist then a formal complaint will be made?
Your idea sounds good on the face of it, but I would be concerned about his reaction to knowing that someone else has the CD.
Your idea sounds good on the face of it, but I would be concerned about his reaction to knowing that someone else has the CD.
My advice would be whilst you are at the solicitors giving them a copy of the CD to put in their vaults, actually talk to an experienced family solicitor and ask them what they should do.
It sounds as if the situation may be as serious as the end of a marriage/family unit so the investment of a hundred quid or so should be negligable.
I would also consider the response of the Trafpol guy when he finds out this has been done. I am not saying it is a bad idea, as family violence is not acceptable in any situation.
An alternative method os accessable date holding may be the internet. You could start a site with them on. Obviously it would have no front page and no advertising etc, but if needs be the name of the site could be typed in on anyones PC and looked at. For example at a police station, or anywhere else which has internet access you will have instant access to the fact that it had happened before.
An alternative method would be to use one of the photo holding sites, or alternatively, the easiest method would be to open up a free mailbox at hotmail and send the photos to yourself. If you keep a record of the account name and password, the pictures again could be accessed from anywhere at a moments notice.
It sounds as if the situation may be as serious as the end of a marriage/family unit so the investment of a hundred quid or so should be negligable.
I would also consider the response of the Trafpol guy when he finds out this has been done. I am not saying it is a bad idea, as family violence is not acceptable in any situation.
An alternative method os accessable date holding may be the internet. You could start a site with them on. Obviously it would have no front page and no advertising etc, but if needs be the name of the site could be typed in on anyones PC and looked at. For example at a police station, or anywhere else which has internet access you will have instant access to the fact that it had happened before.
An alternative method would be to use one of the photo holding sites, or alternatively, the easiest method would be to open up a free mailbox at hotmail and send the photos to yourself. If you keep a record of the account name and password, the pictures again could be accessed from anywhere at a moments notice.
Why would you, hypothetically, even tell him about the CD?
By all means give it to a friend/solicitor, if it makes the person feel safer that the evidence is not in the house, where it could potentially be discovered.
He knows what he has done, you don't need the evidence to prove it to him. Sit down, have a talk with him, and tell him this is his last chance. If he doesn't seek professional advice, then you will go to the police (or whatever is planned). But you have to mean it. If you tell him this is his last chance, and let him carry on he will never stop. I would also say the condition should be "get advice" as well as "stop physically abusing me", because you will never know for sure if he will snap tomorrow after a bad day, or a few drinks etc.
And if you put pictures on the internet, it is hypothetcially possible that anyone could get hold of them - whether you want them to or not.
By all means give it to a friend/solicitor, if it makes the person feel safer that the evidence is not in the house, where it could potentially be discovered.
He knows what he has done, you don't need the evidence to prove it to him. Sit down, have a talk with him, and tell him this is his last chance. If he doesn't seek professional advice, then you will go to the police (or whatever is planned). But you have to mean it. If you tell him this is his last chance, and let him carry on he will never stop. I would also say the condition should be "get advice" as well as "stop physically abusing me", because you will never know for sure if he will snap tomorrow after a bad day, or a few drinks etc.
And if you put pictures on the internet, it is hypothetcially possible that anyone could get hold of them - whether you want them to or not.
BliarOut said:
All hypothetically speaking.
Lets say a couple is seperating, but during the week they have to live in the same house. Let's also hypothetically imagine he is a TrafPol. Unfortunately, he is a little heavy handed and has bruised the soon to be ex partner on numerous occasions. For the purpose of the excercise, lets also imagine she now has a CD with these images on. She doesn't want to ruin his career, but she does want him to stop. The bruises are not as a result of punching, but from being grabbed firmly.
I am thinking of suggesting that she gives the CD to someone else and then tells him that she has given it to someone with instructions that if they see any more bruises they are to forward it officially and make a formal complaint. Obviously he wouldn't be told who has the CD.
The objective is just to make it stop, nothing more, nothing less. Anyone got any more suggestions?
Oh, and please don't turn it into an ACAB thread
She warns him once, then reports him the next time he does it. End of discussion. No need to start distributing CDs, or warnings, or whatever. Dear brave Mr tough guy shouldn't be bruising her. It matters not one f@cking jot whether he hits her, or 'grabs her firmly' because he is a 'little heavy handed'. It's assault. On someone who probably can't defend herself.
Tell her not to put up with it. Don't worry about losing his job, that's his problem. Tosser.
Oh, and surely the fact he is TrafPol is irrelevant. Most plods won'ty want to put up with him, if a formal complaint is put in.
And the above also assumes the facts are as you've stated and inferred.
mel said:
Is it just me or why is it relevant that he is a copper? It would be unacceptable whatever his job.
Indeed but people seem to believe that the job is part of the arsenal. In theory at least you cannot be fired for something you do outside the workplace that results in civil action. Obviously a criminal conviction would result in a policeman losing his job. If the guy is not hitting her but is merely heavy handed, then is a call as to whether there would ever be a conviction. I would bet a few quid he would get away with it anyway. Prolly best just to tell him to stop or pay the local men in balaclavas to give him a kicking. Getting solicitors involved is usually just money and grief with no result.
tell him "stop, or i will make a complaint to the local plod station, and get a court order for you to leave the house (but still keep paying your share)"
same rules apply no matter what his job
and if i was advising him, i'd say don't share the house, move out sharpish, before he gets a little bit TOO 'heavy handed'
same rules apply no matter what his job
and if i was advising him, i'd say don't share the house, move out sharpish, before he gets a little bit TOO 'heavy handed'
goes bad boy do they throw some resources at it.Big Fat F'er said:
She warns him once, then reports him the next time he does it. End of discussion. No need to start distributing CDs, or warnings, or whatever. Dear brave Mr tough guy shouldn't be bruising her. It matters not one f@cking jot whether he hits her, or 'grabs her firmly' because he is a 'little heavy handed'. It's assault. On someone who probably can't defend herself.
Tell her not to put up with it. Don't worry about losing his job, that's his problem. Tosser.
Oh, and surely the fact he is TrafPol is irrelevant. Most plods won'ty want to put up with him, if a formal complaint is put in.
And the above also assumes the facts are as you've stated and inferred.
Definitely.Tell her not to put up with it. Don't worry about losing his job, that's his problem. Tosser.
Oh, and surely the fact he is TrafPol is irrelevant. Most plods won'ty want to put up with him, if a formal complaint is put in.
And the above also assumes the facts are as you've stated and inferred.
It may please you to know that the Police forces across the country have a very stringent policy on positive intervention where domestic violence is concerned.
This always where possible means arrest and questioning for the person accused of an act of domestic violence. Any evidence gathered that could lead to possible charges has to be run past CPS for a decision. A victim does not need to support the charges if the evidence is there. CPS nearly always prosecute.
A sanction detection is sought as a disposal for an act of domestic violence.
This means, caution, or charge.
This policy is even more draconian when it involves serving members of the force and swift direct action is taken against anyone involved in such behaviour!
All police staff are aware of the policy because it is published in the regular news bulletins put out on an almost daily basis.
This man appears to be a bully of the worst kind and quite frankly whether he is convicted or not, the police service and the public will be better off without him in that role!
This always where possible means arrest and questioning for the person accused of an act of domestic violence. Any evidence gathered that could lead to possible charges has to be run past CPS for a decision. A victim does not need to support the charges if the evidence is there. CPS nearly always prosecute.
A sanction detection is sought as a disposal for an act of domestic violence.
This means, caution, or charge.
This policy is even more draconian when it involves serving members of the force and swift direct action is taken against anyone involved in such behaviour!
All police staff are aware of the policy because it is published in the regular news bulletins put out on an almost daily basis.
This man appears to be a bully of the worst kind and quite frankly whether he is convicted or not, the police service and the public will be better off without him in that role!
mel said:
Is it just me or why is it relevant that he is a copper? It would be unacceptable whatever his job.
It is relevant because he will on occasions (even as a RPD officer) have to deal with domestic violence issues as an method of positive intervention. How can he deal with these issues in an objective manner if he himself is subject to using behaviour such as this on his own partner?That is why it is relevant!
Brave lady to go all the way there.Forums | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff