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Hi,
Just got a summons for speeding, witness statment of the scamera operator states that he put his red dot on the TVR Tuscan motor vehicle and recorded my speed, thing is, I have a TVR but I dont have a Tuscan, is this going to help in court?
>> Edited by nsparey on Monday 6th March 10:42
Just got a summons for speeding, witness statment of the scamera operator states that he put his red dot on the TVR Tuscan motor vehicle and recorded my speed, thing is, I have a TVR but I dont have a Tuscan, is this going to help in court?
>> Edited by nsparey on Monday 6th March 10:42
nsparey said:
Hi,
Just got a summons for speeding, witness statment of the scamera operator states that he put his red dot on the TVR Tuscan motor vehicle and recorded my speed, thing is, I have a TVR but I dont have a Tuscan, is this going to help in court?
>> Edited by nsparey on Monday 6th March 10:42
Has the summons quoted your registration mark?
J1mmyD said:
Out of interest ... if you happened to find a pot of black paint kicking around under a B2 .... just what would it take to make a TVR (or similar) radar absorbant? And would the car be legal?
What's a B2? I have no expert knowledge of radar etc. Need to speak to a scientist!! Then Nick Freeman (Mr Loophole)!!!
mutley said:
B2 = Stealth Bomber 
The black paint way well work as long as the rest of the car is built of exotic materials
That's my point - the TVR is amde from fibreglass ..... now, I know little more than the basics about radar or speedguns, but coupled with the absence of straight edges would it simply need radar absorbing paint to make your pocket rocket invisible to these cameras?
donteatpeople said:
I think the Radar Invisibility was more down to the shape than the paint or materials. I cant see why it would not be theroretically possible but it would be hard work and probably ugly.
I stand to be corrected on this one, but the paint itself is a very large part of the radar suppression. I know that each plane has a small army of techies whose job is simply to touch up the pain on these things after each mission.
Anyhoooo ... just one of those Monday morning flights of fancy that often come to nothing .... but every once in a blue moon set you off down a path .....
Irregular shape and profile. Look at the F-117, ugly piece of ... avionics, but because of the angles supposedly almost invisible on radar.
BTW, everything will reflect a radar signal, the idea of steath is to make it reflect as little as possible, the smaller the reflection, the 'further away' the object is. And the idea of the paint is to reduce possible visual sightings.
So unfortuneately not gonna help hide a TVR from scamera vans etc
BTW, everything will reflect a radar signal, the idea of steath is to make it reflect as little as possible, the smaller the reflection, the 'further away' the object is. And the idea of the paint is to reduce possible visual sightings.
So unfortuneately not gonna help hide a TVR from scamera vans etc
chris d said:
[quote=nsparey] And Timsta - don't send him down another wrong road - curves etc!!!!
Quite right,
Roll over and take it, Nick. Don't make them prove anything, you have no right to contest anything in court.
Chris, do you work for Manchester SCP? Did you have any input on that booklet?
timsta said:
Quite right,
Roll over and take it, Nick. Don't make them prove anything, you have no right to contest anything in court.
NO right to contest anything? Did I say that? I'm just trying to help him with sound information. Wait til you're in the box and then use such arguments. Don't mislead others at their expense!!
timsta said:
Very well.
Nick, look into how accurate these devices are and then make your own descisions. Personally, I don't trust them. Often enough it has been shown that the "red dot" is nowhere near where the device is measuring.
IMHO, its very risky running a defence based solely on the inaccuracy of speed measurement devices unless you are 100% certain you will win...
4555 reasons not to challenge accuracy said:
A motorcyclist who challenged a £60 speeding ticket was yesterday presented with a £4,500 legal bill after police flew in an expert from America to support their case.
David Harris was caught riding his machine at around 90mph nearly two years ago.
Magistrates in Hexham, Northumberland, duly dealt with the matter and handed down a £250 fine and five penalty points.
But Harris, 46, was insistent the speed gun that caught him was faulty and launched an appeal.
It was at this point that the Crown Prosecution Service called in Jeremy Dunne, technical vice president of the head of the American firm that supplies its laser cameras.
Unfortunately for Harris, Mr Dunne had flown in from Denver by the time he decided to withdraw his appeal.
Yesterday a judge at Newcastle Crown Court ruled that the hapless biker should pay his adversary's trans-Atlantic air fare, as well as his car hire, mileage, stationery and telephone calls.
This added up, with £600 court costs, to £4,555.88 - a sum described by Harris's barrister, Nick Cartmell, as "an eye-watering surprise".
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