Form 172 name and shame ---- a Cautionary tale.
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Chap caught on camera for speeding in UK named a friend as driver who had been on holiday and had returned to St Lucia and thereby anticipated NFA.
Behind the scenes Devon and Cornwall contacted St Lucia Police who forwarded a photo of the said friend who turned out to be a man of colour.
Clang
Camera shot showed a white person driving.
Charged at Crown Court with perverting the course of justice was given:
6 month Community Order, and.
Placed under a 7pm - 7am tagged home curfew, and
Disqualified for 6 months, and
Ordered to pay £1,078 costs.
Double Clang:
He only had 6 points on his Licence so would not have been automatically disqualified if he had admitted from the start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Makes you think doesn't it?
(Source DT 11.3.06)
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Dwight VanDriver said:Yes, makes you think that if he'd punched a police offiver instead - and was of ethnic minority status with a drug problem and a broken home and batted for the opposition and... (etc) he'd have got a conditional discharge or binding over.
Chap caught on camera for speeding in UK named a friend as driver who had been on holiday and had returned to St Lucia and thereby anticipated NFA.
Behind the scenes Devon and Cornwall contacted St Lucia Police who forwarded a photo of the said friend who turned out to be a man of colour.
Clang
Camera shot showed a white person driving.
Charged at Crown Court with perverting the course of justice was given:
6 month Community Order, and.
Placed under a 7pm - 7am tagged home curfew, and
Disqualified for 6 months, and
Ordered to pay £1,078 costs.
Double Clang:
He only had 6 points on his Licence so would not have been automatically disqualified if he had admitted from the start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Makes you think doesn't it?
(Source DT 11.3.06)
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Glenn Smythe of MetpolFed said:
The criminal justice system has got it all out of kilter. We treat the motorist like a pariah and the burglar like a victim
J J Leeming in Road Accidents - Prevent or Punish said:
To punish a motorist because what he was doing might be a danger in an hour's, or a week's, or a month's time — according to circumstances — but not at the time it was done, is a monstrous tyranny
Neil Longsden former Chief Inspector with Greater Manchester Police Motorway Group said:
With more than 20 years as a traffic inspector and chief inspector, I always thought that, when decisions were made to prosecute motorists, the police had to prove the offence beyond all reasonable doubt - and that they also had to use a certain amount of discretion and commonsense. Now I believe those basic principles are being ignored in pursuit of revenue.
Dwight VanDriver said:
Chap caught on camera for speeding in UK named a friend as driver who had been on holiday and had returned to St Lucia and thereby anticipated NFA.
Behind the scenes Devon and Cornwall contacted St Lucia Police who forwarded a photo of the said friend who turned out to be a man of colour.
Clang
Camera shot showed a white person driving.
Charged at Crown Court with perverting the course of justice was given:
6 month Community Order, and.
Placed under a 7pm - 7am tagged home curfew, and
Disqualified for 6 months, and
Ordered to pay £1,078 costs.
Double Clang:
He only had 6 points on his Licence so would not have been automatically disqualified if he had admitted from the start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Makes you think doesn't it?
(Source DT 11.3.06)
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Which is exactly why you should fight this sort of thing legally.
Sean
trax said:
jesus, so the law has finally caught up with public opinion. Just think, now the OAP mugger who denies he did it, will at least be given four times that much, as his crime is at least four times as bad, if not more.
Oh sorry, real criminals would get a slap on the wrist.
From one of the local-ish free papers.
A CROWN Court judge attacked magistrates for giving a policeman's attacker a lenient sentence.
His comments came after watching a CCTV film, which showed how an inspector was punched to the ground, suffering a badly twisted ankle.
The officer was trying to put drunken Luke Griffin into a patrol car after he smashed glass at a takeaway pizza shop.
The film captured other men surrounding the inspector before Griffin escaped on foot.
Griffin's brother, who pleaded guilty to assaulting the officer, was given 150 hours of unpaid work by the magistrates after pleading guilty to assault, said Kristina Montgomery, prosecuting.
Judge Mott, of Worcester Crown Court, criticised it as "an extraordinary sentence" to pass on someone who attacked a lone police officer in the street at night.
"If the magistrates saw the video, they seriously misled themselves," the judge said.
He warned 21-year-old Griffin, of Wolverhampton Road, Kidderminster, that he would have been jailed but for the community sentence passed on his brother.
A prison term would have given him a legitimate grievance that his brother "got away lightly".
Griffin was sentenced to six months jail, suspended for a year, and ordered to pay £500 compensation to takeaway owner, Said Ghonchen, and £578 court costs.
He pleaded guilty to criminal damage at Lazio's Pizza in New Road, Kidderminster, on November 27 last year and escaping from lawful custody.
Miss Montgomery said Griffin, a safety systems installer, argued with a friend about money for a pizza after drinking 10 pints of lager.
He became agitated when cash was refused, smashing glass in the takeaway door.
The owner called police when Griffin began headbutting a shop window.
Griffin struggled with an inspector at the scene and tried to headbutt him too.
The officer drew his baton, striking Griffin, before his brother intervened.
Griffin, of previous good character, surrendered to police two days later, said Richard Bond, defending.
Since the incident, his name and photograph had been circulated around Kidderminster pubs, making it impossible to get served.
"He got extremely drunk and acted in an abnormal way," Mr Bond added.
Flat in Fifth said:Aye, it's the way of things, usually a stipe would make a better fist of it.
jesus, so the law has finally caught up with public opinion. Just think, now the OAP mugger who denies he did it, will at least be given four times that much, as his crime is at least four times as bad, if not more.
Oh sorry, real criminals would get a slap on the wrist.
From one of the local-ish free papers.
A CROWN Court judge attacked magistrates for giving a policeman's attacker a lenient sentence.
His comments came after watching a CCTV film, which showed how an inspector was punched to the ground, suffering a badly twisted ankle.
The officer was trying to put drunken Luke Griffin into a patrol car after he smashed glass at a takeaway pizza shop.
The film captured other men surrounding the inspector before Griffin escaped on foot.
Griffin's brother, who pleaded guilty to assaulting the officer, was given 150 hours of unpaid work by the magistrates after pleading guilty to assault, said Kristina Montgomery, prosecuting.
Judge Mott, of Worcester Crown Court, criticised it as "an extraordinary sentence" to pass on someone who attacked a lone police officer in the street at night.
"If the magistrates saw the video, they seriously misled themselves," the judge said.
...
Since the incident, his name and photograph had been circulated around Kidderminster pubs, making it impossible to get served.
"He got extremely drunk and acted in an abnormal way," Mr Bond added.
Martin Narey as Head of the Prison Service said:
Custody rates for some quite petty offending have quadrupled, motoring offences for example. ... They don't need to be in jail in such numbers
trax said:
jesus, so the law has finally caught up with public opinion. Just think, now the OAP mugger who denies he did it, will at least be given four times that much, as his crime is at least four times as bad, if not more.
Oh sorry, real criminals would get a slap on the wrist.
Oh, come on. Slap on the wrist ? What is this, Vlad the Impaler territory ?
OAP Muggers are very sad people from broken homes. Their personal disability disempowers their ability to not confiscate other persons property in a mode of questionable legality. The violence is a consequence of a difficult relationship with a parental role model. So they need *counselling*.
And if they do it again, More counselling !
(Except if they aren't new Labour voting groups, you can hang those ones)
Flat in Fifth said:
A CROWN Court judge attacked magistrates for giving a policeman's attacker a lenient sentence.
His comments came after watching a CCTV film, which showed how an inspector was punched to the ground, suffering a badly twisted ankle.
The officer was trying to put drunken Luke Griffin into a patrol car after he smashed glass at a takeaway pizza shop.
The film captured other men surrounding the inspector before Griffin escaped on foot.
Griffin's brother, who pleaded guilty to assaulting the officer, was given 150 hours of unpaid work by the magistrates after pleading guilty to assault, said Kristina Montgomery, prosecuting.
There was a case round here a few months back where three army blokes beat the living daylights out of some bloke in a Building Society or Bank ; it was, of course, all captured on video. I think the 'sentence' was about the same.
I recall a year or so back, a lad got 12 months in a Detention Centre for smashing up a scamera .... which given the 'value' apparently placed on BiB and Scameras by the authorities, makes perfect sense.
Flat in Fifth said:
Judge Mott, of Worcester Crown Court, criticised it as "an extraordinary sentence" to pass on someone who attacked a lone police officer in the street at night.
"If the magistrates saw the video, they seriously misled themselves," the judge said.
This is a generic problem ; I remember Delbo King for example, that was NFAed as well. I think it's incompetence and laziness more than anything.
Flat in Fifth said:
He warned 21-year-old Griffin, of Wolverhampton Road, Kidderminster, that he would have been jailed but for the community sentence passed on his brother.
A prison term would have given him a legitimate grievance that his brother "got away lightly".
Sorry ? How does this work ? Surely you should receive a punishment appropriate to what *you've* done. I don't doubt that the courts are full of people whining that "he got a lighter sentence than me".
Flat in Fifth said:
"He got extremely drunk and acted in an abnormal way," Mr Bond added.
Exactly. Whose fault is it ? Why are we in a
ing country where nothing is anyone's fault, no-one takes any ***** responsibility for their own actions ? I don't get drunk often, when I have I don't feel the need to beat people up !Forums | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff