speeding -> go to court. Maybe not any more (BBC news)
speeding -> go to court. Maybe not any more (BBC news)
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rodney59

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424 posts

278 months

KB_S1

5,967 posts

259 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

hmm, sure there is a comic strip that resembles this ideology.
Sir Ian Blair, defender of our liberty indeed.

WildCat

8,369 posts

273 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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KB_S1 said:
"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

hmm, sure there is a comic strip that resembles this ideology.
Sir Ian Blair, defender of our liberty indeed.



Well - after number of gaffes this one's made.. und if you recall - posted my doubts when he was announced as "successor". I doubt if he will be in office for that much longer..

xxplod

2,269 posts

274 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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This one is utter drivel. Like his plan to recruit soldiers for armed Police rather than experienced and qualified Officers with proven policing skills.

I think Bertie Blair is on thin ice at the moment.

J1mmyD

1,823 posts

249 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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bbc said:
Lord Falconer said he wanted to see crime dealt with more "quickly and directly" read cheaply. He said the offences would remain criminal charges but would not be dealt with in court.


In other words, the cameras are doing such a bang up job that the courst can barely keep up. So, let's sort out a cheap fast track system to keep the money coming in, boys.

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

307 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

... and authority to shoot to kill.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

sadako

7,080 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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dickymint

29,148 posts

288 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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victormeldrew said:
"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

... and authority to shoot to kill.

Be afraid, be very afraid.


It will happen.......untill the revolution!!!!

vonhosen

40,597 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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victormeldrew said:
"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

... and authority to shoot to kill.

Be afraid, be very afraid.


Where necessary you can shoot to kill, it isn't new legislation.

>> Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 30th March 22:31

WildCat

8,369 posts

273 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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vonhosen said:
victormeldrew said:
"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

... and authority to shoot to kill.

Be afraid, be very afraid.


Where necessary you can shoot to kill, it isn't new legislation.

>> Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 30th March 22:31


But you still have to use the right intelligence.. und by each account of that story .. no one appeared to use any.

What ist wrong ... that he reportedly knew about it .. but still misled the public over this tragedy. We had all sort of stories - most sourced by police - not media frenzy. You cannot "flavour up" a TV interview with person talking in front of camera.

He was economical with the truth .. und then there was the serious gaffe over the Soham girls ...und whole truck load of others.. Guy trounces the other wooden top in White House

vonhosen

40,597 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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WildCat said:
vonhosen said:
victormeldrew said:
"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

... and authority to shoot to kill.

Be afraid, be very afraid.


Where necessary you can shoot to kill, it isn't new legislation.

>> Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 30th March 22:31


But you still have to use the right intelligence.. und by each account of that story .. no one appeared to use any.

What ist wrong ... that he reportedly knew about it .. but still misled the public over this tragedy. We had all sort of stories - most sourced by police - not media frenzy. You cannot "flavour up" a TV interview with person talking in front of camera.

He was economical with the truth .. und then there was the serious gaffe over the Soham girls ...und whole truck load of others.. Guy trounces the other wooden top in White House


Anyone put in the position where they have to decide whether to shoot or not, is protected by law, where their actions are reasonable, accountable & proportional to the threat they perceived at that time. If the information they were acting upon was flawed, that is not their fault & doesn't make their decision at the time wrong (given the information they had.) Yes others may be accountable for their failings in the handling of the information, but not the person who acted upon it with an honestly held belief & in good faith.

As for how much was known & by who, we will have to wait & see the result of the investigation by the IPCC. Anything prior to that is complete speculation.

>> Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 30th March 22:57

raja

8,290 posts

265 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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6 bullets? in someones head at point blank is neither reasonable nor proportional. Blair has made far too many mistakes and his behavior has not instilled any amount of trust in the public he serves. Did he not try to prevent an investigation into the death of the brazilian lad?

vonhosen

40,597 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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raja said:
6 bullets? in someones head at point blank is neither reasonable nor proportional.


It can be.

Any shootings by Police will always have an IPCC investigation.

>> Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 30th March 23:54

kennyGti

1,598 posts

275 months

Friday 31st March 2006
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KB_S1 said:
"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

hmm, sure there is a comic strip that resembles this ideology.


You would be thinking of Judge Dredd. Hmm, I wonder what the next idea will be?

Hollywood Wheels

3,689 posts

260 months

Friday 31st March 2006
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xxplod said:
This one is utter drivel. Like his plan to recruit soldiers for armed Police rather than experienced and qualified Officers with proven policing skills.

I think Bertie Blair is on thin ice at the moment.


mojocvh

16,837 posts

292 months

Friday 31st March 2006
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>> Edited by mojocvh on Friday 31st March 05:07

gozomark

167 posts

258 months

Friday 31st March 2006
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kennyGti said:
KB_S1 said:
"Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, last year put forward radical proposals for a new breed of policeman with on-the-spot powers to confiscate driving licences and issue anti-social behaviour orders"

hmm, sure there is a comic strip that resembles this ideology.


You would be thinking of Judge Dredd. Hmm, I wonder what the next idea will be?


or Robocop ??

stepej

445 posts

270 months

Friday 31st March 2006
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[quote=vonhosen]
Anyone put in the position where they have to decide whether to shoot or not, is protected by law, where their actions are reasonable, accountable & proportional to the threat they perceived at that time. If the information they were acting upon was flawed, that is not their fault & doesn't make their decision at the time wrong (given the information they had.) Yes others may be accountable for their failings in the handling of the information, but not the person who acted upon it with an honestly held belief & in good faith.

As for how much was known & by who, we will have to wait & see the result of the investigation by the IPCC. Anything prior to that is complete speculation.

[quote]

Anyone ? Really ?



james_j

3,996 posts

285 months

Friday 31st March 2006
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It's obvious what they're up to. As if to reinforce their "guilty unless you can prove you're innocent mentality", they want to simplify things and unclog the courts. Even less democracy? Of course. Just get them out at the next election beforethey can make things worse (like ID cards etc).

Flat in Fifth

48,854 posts

281 months

Friday 31st March 2006
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raja said:
6 bullets? in someones head at point blank is neither reasonable nor proportional.

But when the instruction from Dep Gold Commander to shooters is "Stop at all costs!"