Speeding & other offences

[Philbes]

A comment on a RoSPA driver evaluation report.

"Research clearly demonstrates that drivers who commit offences have a much higher crash risk than those who do not. A speed violator is also likely to run a red light and drive too close to the vehicle in front. All of these increase your crash risk and travelling at a speed too fast for the prevailing condition is the primary cause of a third of all accidents."

Do you agree that if you tend not to obey the speeed limit on motorways you are also liable to run red lights and tailgate? Seems total nonsense to me.

[black-k1]

Would love to see the detailed statistical evidence that led to this conclusion!

I may be willing to accept that those that jump red lights or tailgate are more likely to have speeding convictions.

[Mr Whippy]

How is an offence classed?

If you drive onto a motorway upto 80mph, and stay there for an hour, then leave the motorway and reduce to legal speed limit, is it ONE offence? If you yo-yo is it classed as several, or is it simply how many times you are detected?


In any case, I very rarely break the 2 second rule (4 sec in wet or poor conditions), never (touch wood) rear-ended anyone, and NEVER jumped or come close to going through a light on red.
However, I exceed the posted limit daily, where appropriate, and (touches wood again) never been caught for it, and doing over 20k miles a year average for the last 4 years...


Seems like they are simply adding up total speeding convictions (NOT the total number of people who actually speed by a LONG way), adding up red-lights jumped, and dividing one by the other.

Sounds like *really* good stat work

Dave

[Philbes]

RoSPA refer to "speed violator ". It was me that picked speeding on a motorway as an example of a "speed violator ".

[Davi]

another load of "statistics" as usual bent to emphasise the publishers convictions. Total load of tosh if you ask me. Personally I never jump a red light, rarely tailgate however quite often enjoy a bit of excessive right pedal action, whereas my boss will stick to the speed limit like his life depends on it, constantly sits 2mm from other drivers bumper, and views traffic lights as something to hold up others long enough for him to nip through regardless of colour displayed.

[Yugguy]

ff said:

In any case, I very rarely break the 2 second rule (4 sec in wet or poor conditions), never (touch wood) rear-ended anyone, and NEVER jumped or come close to going through a light on red. However, I exceed the posted limit daily, where appropriate, and (touches wood again) never been caught for it, and doing over 20k miles a year average for the last 4 years...

Ditto. I find their imbecilic comments quite insulting. I'm not a tailgater or a red-light jumper but I will do over the NSL/motorway limit.

[gilbertd]

It would make sense if it was reversed. Those that jump red lights and tailgate others will probably also travel at 'a speed too fast for the prevailing conditions' (not necessarily above the speed limit). In other words, they are simply bad drivers that don't DRIVE to suit the prevailing conditions, they just drive as they want and to hell with everyone else and the rules of the road. The reverse most definitely isn't true.

[F348]

In a way it is actually true, given that 99.99% of people speed at some point, those that speed are likely to be involved in other incidents as well.

[turbobloke]

Research clearly demonstrates that a lot of advanced driver training philosophising, unlike most of the techniques, repeats uninformed government safety fascist propaganda and so amounts to total bullsh1t, and will be taken with a large pinch of salt. At least, by anyone with two brain cells that can fire independently of each other, and independently of BLiar's car hating minions and the sub-retard emotional guff from some self-appointed pressure groups. The common denominator here is that both groups of people have little or no driving experience, often cannot drive at all, but think that political correctness gives them insights into driving and road safety issues beyond other mere mortals who merely know what they're talking about. Would sterilisation help?

[KB_S1]

absolute rubbish.
Almost everyone i know that drives in excess of the limit maintains very good distance and traffic light discipline.

[MGBGT]

Just more RoSPA-bollox as ever. Almost as clearly thought-out as a BRAKE! statement.

I was watching one of the 'Police, Camera - Action!' type progs the other night, which was about BiB - involved shunts. It was well-presented and fairly balanced (although seemed to involve a lot of Council estates...) until some bored bint from Surbiton, claiming to be a BRAKE! spokes-troll, came up with the biggest load of twaddle I had ever heard on television.
Her assertion was that all BiB-involved accidents could be prevented if the Police kept to speed limits whilst in pursuit of felons; I quote "A highly-trained professional driver pursuing one that is untrained and probably very frightened is going to force an accident to happen..."
No Police reply was transmitted in the programme, probably because you can't use the word 'c*nt' that early in the evening...
If some half-wit, booze-crazed w*nker wants to nick a motor and drive round like an idiot, I most certainly want the pursuing Officer to be trained up to the hilt and capable of out-driving anyone running from the Law.
FFS, what do BRAKE! want the roads to be like? Certainly nothing I would want to drive on...

[anonymous-user]

ROSPA numptie said:

"Research clearly demonstrates that drivers who commit offences have a much higher crash risk than those who do not...."

the best data on this subject is obviously held by the insurers. funnily enough they dont really raise premia until you get over 6 points, indeed many ignore up to 6 completely these days. and rospa and iam wonder how to make people take pride in their driving? how about stop condesending us with crap comments you muppets?!

i suspect what the data really shows is; people who jump red lights and commit other offences are also likely to speed. nicely twisted.

>> Edited by francisb on Sunday 2nd April 17:16

[flemke]

Research clearly demonstrates that almost all crimes are committed by people who have two legs, two arms and a head.

Therefore if you have two legs, two arms and a head, you must be a potential criminal.

[turbobloke]

flemke said:

Research clearly demonstrates that almost all crimes are committed by people who have two legs, two arms and a head. Therefore if you have two legs, two arms and a head, you must be a potential criminal.

If I'd known I'd end up in stripey daylight just like that, I'd have handed over headed off and legged it.

[streaky]

Didn't Brunsturmfurher go further than this in linking speeding to criminality? - Streaky

[SS2.]

streaky said:

Didn't Brunsturmfurher go further than this in linking speeding to criminality? - Streaky

Allegedly - "Speeding is against the law and there is no excuse for drifting over the limit any more than there is for drifting a knife into someone."