81mph in a 70 zone - how many points?
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hi, i've just been sent a NIP from northern const. citing me at 81mph in a 70mph dual carriageway.
its me, put my hands up etc.. i was overtaking a line of caravans with a line of other traffic behind me also overtaking, went around a sharp bend and there was a camera van in all its satanic glory.
problem is i'm a new driver - not young, just new (9 months) and so i fall into the 'get 6 points and you are finished for two years catagory'.
so, can anyone tell me how many points they think i'll get and if its worth trying to put in mitigating circumstances (both road/traffic conditions and personal mitigation - my wife can't drive due to a medical condition and we live out in the country)
cheers, very grateful for your help.
its me, put my hands up etc.. i was overtaking a line of caravans with a line of other traffic behind me also overtaking, went around a sharp bend and there was a camera van in all its satanic glory.
problem is i'm a new driver - not young, just new (9 months) and so i fall into the 'get 6 points and you are finished for two years catagory'.
so, can anyone tell me how many points they think i'll get and if its worth trying to put in mitigating circumstances (both road/traffic conditions and personal mitigation - my wife can't drive due to a medical condition and we live out in the country)
cheers, very grateful for your help.
81 in a 70 - would you please think of the children next time?
Only kidding - bloody parasites - 11mph over the limit to overtake a line of slow-moving traffic hardly constitutes the crime of the century.
Sounds like you were a bit unlucky as a number of BiB that I've spoken to have suggested that a warning would be more appropriate at that sort of speed*. That's one of my major grips with the Talivan - no willingness to exercise discretion only a willingness to generate maximum revenue
I don't think you should be worried about anything more than three points (unless there was any other foul play on your part - you weren't fox hunting or exercising any civil liberties at the time were you?). I wonder what percentage of motorists currently have clean licences
*Dependent upon road conditions etc...
Only kidding - bloody parasites - 11mph over the limit to overtake a line of slow-moving traffic hardly constitutes the crime of the century.
Sounds like you were a bit unlucky as a number of BiB that I've spoken to have suggested that a warning would be more appropriate at that sort of speed*. That's one of my major grips with the Talivan - no willingness to exercise discretion only a willingness to generate maximum revenue
I don't think you should be worried about anything more than three points (unless there was any other foul play on your part - you weren't fox hunting or exercising any civil liberties at the time were you?). I wonder what percentage of motorists currently have clean licences
*Dependent upon road conditions etc...
This is happening Thousands of times every day and is the whole point why the camera partnership system is so wrong. There can never be any benefit (other than financial at the expense of safety) in punishing safe driving like this.
Years ago when I'd only been driving for a couple years, I over-took an unmarked police Volvo on a 70 dual carriageway, at 86. Ooops.
He pulled me over and gave a few words of advice, then on my way,
lesson learned and respect gained. True story and nothing out of the ordinary back then.
Now we have dedicated camera partnerships... what a massive step in the wrong direction.
Years ago when I'd only been driving for a couple years, I over-took an unmarked police Volvo on a 70 dual carriageway, at 86. Ooops.
He pulled me over and gave a few words of advice, then on my way,
lesson learned and respect gained. True story and nothing out of the ordinary back then.
Now we have dedicated camera partnerships... what a massive step in the wrong direction.
deeps said:
This is happening Thousands of times every day and is the whole point why the camera partnership system is so wrong. There can never be any benefit (other than financial at the expense of safety) in punishing safe driving like this.
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don't let Vonhoosen catch you saying that or this thread will go to 20+ pages...............
Ribena: If you accept the NIP you will get 3 points and a £60 fine.
Sadly in your position this is what I would do - it is *very* unlikely that if you fight it in court you will win. If you go to court they might well decide to simply make your life shit and give you six points - oops its now a ban.
A bit late now but can I suggest investing in some GPS based mobile/GATSO warning equipment and being very careful about going round curves in the dual carriageway above the speed limit. By far the best defence against speed traps is the Mark 1 Eyeball but it only works if you accept its limitations - i.e. you can't see round corners!
Dr Don's ticket avoidance tactics:
1) Enter and leave speed limits *at the speed limit* not above it. Given it is safe to do so.
2) If you can't see round a curve be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear or, if lower, the speed limit.
Most speed checks are either done shortly after a limit change or where the van will be hidden around a curve.
Fixed cameras are usually easy peasy to spot - but a GPS based system will help in unfamiliar areas.
Please don't think this is a holier-than-thou-patronising speech. Its the best practical system I've been able to come up with. Personally I don't speed in 30s, 40s and 50s but once I'm waaay out there....what I do is my business IYSWIM.
Sadly in your position this is what I would do - it is *very* unlikely that if you fight it in court you will win. If you go to court they might well decide to simply make your life shit and give you six points - oops its now a ban.
A bit late now but can I suggest investing in some GPS based mobile/GATSO warning equipment and being very careful about going round curves in the dual carriageway above the speed limit. By far the best defence against speed traps is the Mark 1 Eyeball but it only works if you accept its limitations - i.e. you can't see round corners!
Dr Don's ticket avoidance tactics:
1) Enter and leave speed limits *at the speed limit* not above it. Given it is safe to do so.
2) If you can't see round a curve be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear or, if lower, the speed limit.
Most speed checks are either done shortly after a limit change or where the van will be hidden around a curve.
Fixed cameras are usually easy peasy to spot - but a GPS based system will help in unfamiliar areas.
Please don't think this is a holier-than-thou-patronising speech. Its the best practical system I've been able to come up with. Personally I don't speed in 30s, 40s and 50s but once I'm waaay out there....what I do is my business IYSWIM.
Nuggs said:
Sounds like you were a bit unlucky as a number of BiB that I've spoken to have suggested that a warning would be more appropriate at that sort of speed*. That's one of my major grips with the Talivan - no willingness to exercise discretion only a willingness to generate maximum revenue
Absolutely. A potentially licence-crippling 3 points for 11 miles per hour on an NSL? Crazy!Hollywood Wheels said:Quite so, who in their right mind wouldn't welcome and accept some wise BiB words in the shell-like for those circumstances, and quite heartwarming to see that the good old fashioned bollocking isn't totally out of fashion in these pee cee pc days
Sounds like you were a bit unlucky as a number of BiB that I've spoken to have suggested that a warning would be more appropriate at that sort of speed*. That's one of my major grips with the Talivan - no willingness to exercise discretion only a willingness to generate maximum revenue
Hollywood Wheels said:
Sounds like you were a bit unlucky as a number of BiB that I've spoken to have suggested that a warning would be more appropriate at that sort of speed*. That's one of my major grips with the Talivan - no willingness to exercise discretion only a willingness to generate maximum revenue
I agree. So, whats the outcome of this... an inexperienced driver with not as much awareness of the possible hazards and actions of other road users is sentenced to 15 months of speedo watching.
Good plan.
Balmoral Green said:
bloody parasites - 11mph over the limit to overtake a line of slow-moving traffic hardly constitutes the crime of the century.
I agree with your sentiment but it does rather depend on where/what the 30 is.
In my area the is a stretch of Dual Carriageway leading from a Motorway Junction possibly 7 or 8 miles into towards the town centre. I can't count the number of times the limit changes from 30 to 40 mph or the number of cameras along it.
Well known to locals who take care but deadly to visitors to the area - quite possible to rack up enough points to lose your licence before you're halfway along it.
Question - Why should a length of DC 'A' road be 30 or 40 anyway when the road it replaced was NSL?
We come back to the old argument that safety can't be measured by speed - how can 40 be Safe just before an arbitory 'line on the road', where the limit changes, but dangerous after it.
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