Calling Paul Smith - Hit The Brakes
Calling Paul Smith - Hit The Brakes
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pmanson

Original Poster:

13,388 posts

283 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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My local paper "The Bucks Herald" front page is an article about how every major road in and out of Aylesbury could have its speed limit cut by up to 20mph in a bid to save lives and stop accidents.


I thought you might like to contact them and comment. They can be found here - www.aylesburytoday.co.uk or by email - editorial@bucksherald.co.uk


I'm in the process of drafting a letter which I will post here for comment before I send it.


Regards,

Phill

safespeed

2,983 posts

304 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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I'm on the road this week. I'll have a look at it when I get back to the office.

Basically locals need to raise formal objections. I think there's a procedure on the ABD website somewhere.

It's also being discussed on the Safe Speed forums:
www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6605

turbobloke

117,301 posts

290 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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safespeed said:
I think there's a procedure on the ABD website somewhere.


Speed Limits How they are set and your Right to Object

cooperman

4,428 posts

280 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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Do they seriously mean to cut the 40 limits to 20 and the 30 limits to 10?
Surely no-one could be that stupid.
They'll just get ignored by almost everyone then.

Marki

15,763 posts

300 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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It really sounds like there is a Witch hunt going on in the UK over speeds and speeding , even in Denmark they have recently raised the speed limits on motorways in certain areas depending on the condition of the road

puggit

49,820 posts

278 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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In Oxfordshire it has become the norm for NSL type roads to have 50 limits and anywhere with a sniff of a building in the country to have a 30 limit. The speed limits are ignored by 95% of the population where I live (southern part).

cooperman

4,428 posts

280 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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Stupid laws and regulations are so widely ignored that they become meaningless. In fact, maybe we should welcome these extremely low limits as then everyone will ignore them and they will fall into total disrepute. There are now so many petty regulations that many areas of the law are rapidly falling into disrepute in addition to motoring regulations. For example, I am quite capable of wiring extra electrics in my home and workshop and have just done so. Apparently that's also illegal so I can expect a visit from the 'DIY Police' soon. I also connected up my new gas cooker, on the basis that if I can design, develop and install ultra-high-pressure hydraulics on aircraft and cars, I can certainly connect up and test a low-pressure gas connection properly. Again, I believe it's against the law.
This entire 'nanny-state' situation is now really beginning to seriously 'p***-off' so many people that the laws will simply be ignored. If drivers continue to be disqualified in increasingly large numbers 'Driving Whilst Disqualified' will just become another minor offence with the chances of detection rated very low.
All this, surely, leads to disrespect for the law and a sea-change in our society due to the 'criminalisation' of a large proportion of the population, especially those who pay their taxes and actually contribute to our country.

james_j

3,996 posts

285 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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cooperman said:
Do they seriously mean to cut the 40 limits to 20 and the 30 limits to 10?
Surely no-one could be that stupid.
They'll just get ignored by almost everyone then.


Quite. Stupid limits get ignored. On a regular basis. Every day in fact. By safe drivers.

pmanson

Original Poster:

13,388 posts

283 months

Wednesday 3rd May 2006
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Paul,

I've been in communication with my local Councillor as seen in this thread

I'm not sure what else I can do. I think i've ruffled her feathers a bit!

Any suggestions?


Thanks,

Phill

GreenV8S

31,024 posts

314 months

Wednesday 3rd May 2006
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They aren't irrelevent, because even if they aren't enforced now they can be later on. And you can't complain then, after all the law has been like that for ages and if people are going to keep flouting the law they have only got themselves to blame when they eventually get caught ...

zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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cooperman said:
Stupid laws and regulations are so widely ignored that they become meaningless. In fact, maybe we should welcome these extremely low limits as then everyone will ignore them and they will fall into total disrepute. There are now so many petty regulations that many areas of the law are rapidly falling into disrepute in addition to motoring regulations. For example, I am quite capable of wiring extra electrics in my home and workshop and have just done so. Apparently that's also illegal so I can expect a visit from the 'DIY Police' soon. I also connected up my new gas cooker, on the basis that if I can design, develop and install ultra-high-pressure hydraulics on aircraft and cars, I can certainly connect up and test a low-pressure gas connection properly. Again, I believe it's against the law.


Actually, it isn't. It's quite legal to work on your own gas installations, providing that you are a "competent person". What isn't legal is to work on someone elses gas installation.

You're more-or-less right about wiring and Part P, though. According to reasonable estimates, that's going to save less than one life a year, and may actually cost lives. I stocked up on cable in the old wiring colours, so can happily ignore Part P.

autismuk

1,529 posts

270 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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cooperman said:
Do they seriously mean to cut the 40 limits to 20 and the 30 limits to 10?
Surely no-one could be that stupid.


You've never had anything to do with Local Government then.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a MINUS 10 Speed Limit ....

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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autismuk said:
cooperman said:
Do they seriously mean to cut the 40 limits to 20 and the 30 limits to 10?
Surely no-one could be that stupid.


You've never had anything to do with Local Government then.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a MINUS 10 Speed Limit ....


What, you mean we'd have to drive in reverse?

pjskel

10,842 posts

257 months

Thursday 4th May 2006
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So long as the handbrake turn preceeding the reversing is not classed as dangerous or reckless driving.
Sure beats the hell out of doing a 7 point turn.

pmanson

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13,388 posts

283 months

Kinky

39,944 posts

299 months

Saturday 6th May 2006
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Phil,

That's a quality letter you wrote there.

I assume that's exactly as you wrote it?

K

pmanson

Original Poster:

13,388 posts

283 months

Saturday 6th May 2006
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Kinky said:
Phil,

That's a quality letter you wrote there.

I assume that's exactly as you wrote it?

K


Yes exactly what I wrote. I copied the letter to my local counciller(who i've now upset by asking too many awkard questions!) and to David Lidington my MP.

My counciller has another week to reply to my current email before I approach the papers with my unanswered questions.

Phill

pmanson

Original Poster:

13,388 posts

283 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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I have a response from the Council - See Here


Regards,

Phill

KB_S1

5,967 posts

259 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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pmanson said:
I have a response from the Council - See Here


Regards,

Phill



I just get redirected to the P&P forum with that link.

timsta

2,779 posts

276 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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KB_S1 said:
pmanson said:
I have a response from the Council - See Here


Regards,

Phill



I just get redirected to the P&P forum with that link.


See here