Petrol Can problem.
Discussion
So, i decide this morning, what a nice opportunity to drag the mower out and see what i can do. So i get it coughing and spluttering into life, only to mow ten yards for it to run out of petrol. Bugger.
So i go down to the local Shell, but am told that i am not allowed to fill my can, instead i must fill a bloody rediculous plastic thing that i could piss in and fill.
Why? Whats wrong with my can? It is quite old, 5 gallon, and has a screw lid. It says "E.P.Co.LTD" on the side.
But all i got out of the woman behind the till is "Sorry duck, its the law"
Roland.
So i go down to the local Shell, but am told that i am not allowed to fill my can, instead i must fill a bloody rediculous plastic thing that i could piss in and fill.
Why? Whats wrong with my can? It is quite old, 5 gallon, and has a screw lid. It says "E.P.Co.LTD" on the side.
But all i got out of the woman behind the till is "Sorry duck, its the law"
Roland.
I don't know the exact details but petrol stations are basically not allowed to sell petrol if it's going in a non approved container ..... if you see what I mean.
Your 'can' is almost certainly too old and would not come under the new regs - either that or she thought it was too old and wanted you to buy a nice new plastic one !
Your 'can' is almost certainly too old and would not come under the new regs - either that or she thought it was too old and wanted you to buy a nice new plastic one !
Pigeon said:
Just park the car between the window and the can so the cashier can't see what you're putting the petrol into.
I can confirm that this works every time - round my way if you dont and they see you with a can they make you pay in advance despite having turned up in a half decent car and not having the appearance of a chav stealing petrol to put in a goped.
It's a bit of a concern of mine. We need to take about 4 large jerry cans every time my son races his Formula Ford racecar. Just waiting for the local Optimax station to kick off one day.
What the hell are you meant to do? Buy 40 snotty 5 litre placcy cans?
Its a load of tosh. How many fires have been caused by people filling up steel jerry cans with petrol to go racing? 1 per millenium or maybe 2?
A few years ago when we used to race karts in the British Super one series, we had to buy fuel from an approved (rip off) supplier. We had to pre order it in 25 litre drums which were a nightmare to pour. Whats changed?
What the hell are you meant to do? Buy 40 snotty 5 litre placcy cans?
Its a load of tosh. How many fires have been caused by people filling up steel jerry cans with petrol to go racing? 1 per millenium or maybe 2?
A few years ago when we used to race karts in the British Super one series, we had to buy fuel from an approved (rip off) supplier. We had to pre order it in 25 litre drums which were a nightmare to pour. Whats changed?
bluesandtwos said:
IIRC you are allowed to carry no more than 10L of fuel, outside of the normal fixed fuel tank.
Must be in approved containers etc. Do a search on the web, there is info on it.
Ermm, there's a lot of conflicting information about it.
I've googled but can't find any act and section that forbids the filling of a 5 gallon jerry.
Some sites advise that you can't fill more than two 5litre containers, but they're not quoting statute.
Dwight VanDriver said:
Sparky
http://tinyurl.com/e5sef
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Its HSE so it must be right.
dvd
Looked at it. So no restriction for the carrying of fuel for the purposes of refueling a vehicle, other than a suitable receptacle. The confusion is is over how petrol can be 'kept' (presumably in a garage or home).
So, not surprising that there are a lot of 5 gallon jerrycans out there, perfectly legal.
The can has to have a UN marking to legally carry fuel marking should read " UN 3A1/X/ unledss its clearly marked petrol only and its capacity is on or under 5 litres. The laws concerning packaging of dangerous goods are a minefield and have been written to allow certain export practices and small supermarket retail practices to continue. As an aside its illegal to carry used engine opil in the same standard of container that new oil is carried in, used oil is a higher carcinagenic risk and has to be packed in a higher standard of container. This was how it was some time ago I dont think its changed. The garage can be prosecuted for allowing it to be packed in an illegal container.I remember you can carry a lorry load of petrol for export in small containers with no trem plate ( that nice orange plate you see with UN xxxxx on the front of the lorry) or hazardous goods training.As I said a minefield
puggit said:
Since when was the one person running a petrol station interested in people filling up. At every station I visit they are too busy taking money to even press the button to let me fill up
I was stopped from filling two jerry cans up near Snetterton last year. I was told the maximum I could put in cans in an enclosed vehicle is 20lt. If I had been putting on a trailer I could have filled both.
I filled one at the first garage and went down to the supermarket in town to fill the other.
I now normally fill up in a supermarket near me and fill the cans behind my Disco where they can't be seen by the cashier.
Dwight VanDriver said:
Sparky
http://tinyurl.com/e5sef
Go to summary
Its HSE so it must be right.
dvd
That'll be the bit that says
SUMMARY
" At filling stations, there is no specific legal restriction on the type or number of containers that can be filled (although Petroleum Licensing Authorities often use licensing conditions to limit the containers sizes). The legal limits are on how and where they are subsequently kept."
So, presumably the cashier in our original posters filling station saying otherwise was wrong?
shelsleyf2 said:
The can has to have a UN marking to legally carry fuel marking should read " UN 3A1/X/ unledss its clearly marked petrol only and its capacity is on or under 5 litres. The laws concerning packaging of dangerous goods are a minefield and have been written to allow certain export practices and small supermarket retail practices to continue. ...........
The garage can be prosecuted for allowing it to be packed in an illegal container.
Shelsey, have you got a link that gives Act and Section of the legislation you are alluding to?
I went out to fill up 3 x 5litre cans at the local Sainsers last week, and was asked to show the the cans. More interfering pokey-nosed cack from Fatty 2 Jags. It was my own fault for telling her I was going to fill some cans, since I wanted super for the Tiv and unleaded for the lawnmower. I used to fill them at the same time as the everyday car, but that's diesel now.
I hate this effing country.
I hate this effing country.
This has been discussed at my recen t hovercraft club meetings. Strangely we don't take hovercraft to the petrol station to fill up, prefering to take a can instead!
However we have been advised that in Norfolk we will only be able to fill one can per vehicle due to local licencing which apparently is going nationwide. It would appear that rather than change national legislation limits are being introduced by stealh and by using local powers.
As has been said the solution appears to be keep yourself hidden from the cashier!
However we have been advised that in Norfolk we will only be able to fill one can per vehicle due to local licencing which apparently is going nationwide. It would appear that rather than change national legislation limits are being introduced by stealh and by using local powers.
As has been said the solution appears to be keep yourself hidden from the cashier!
www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1996/Uksi_19962092_en_3.htm#IDAP2RNK Is a link to the packing labeling and carriage of dangerous goods.As I said before its a minefield,!
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