Community Speed Enforcement
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Apparently i was caught doing 57 in a 40 by some kind of community speed watch operation. I recieved a fairly threatening letter saying i had a "yellow card" and that my details are to be kept on police computers and if i was caught speeding again i WOULD be prosecuted.
Are the police allowed to keep records like this on me based on the opinion of a member of the public? Seems a bit open to abuse ie theres my neighbour dont like him note him down as speeding etc.
I'm not entirely convinced i was actually going that fast anyway is there anything i can do to have these details removed?
I thought speed guns were to be used by police officers who formed a prior opinion of excess speed and used the gun to corroborate? Surely with a member of public operating the equipment the primary evidence is the speed gun?
Are the police allowed to keep records like this on me based on the opinion of a member of the public? Seems a bit open to abuse ie theres my neighbour dont like him note him down as speeding etc.
I'm not entirely convinced i was actually going that fast anyway is there anything i can do to have these details removed?
I thought speed guns were to be used by police officers who formed a prior opinion of excess speed and used the gun to corroborate? Surely with a member of public operating the equipment the primary evidence is the speed gun?
Send the letter back with a suggestion that they form it into a cone, starch it and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. That's all it's worth and it has no standing in law whatsoever.
Alternatively enter into long and meaningful letter writing exercise asking for details of how the speed reading was achieved, the training and qualifications of the person(s) making the reading, the police service number of the equipment operator(s), the calibration certificate number of the speed measuring equipment, the name of the traffic officer authorising the site for measurement and details of the prior casualty levels at that site. Then ask how the police assured themselves that all requirements of the ACPO Guidelines for electronic speed measuring were complied. Write again if any of the questions are not fully and satisfactorily answered
Don't ask all the questions at once, but one at a time, to ensure that the police officers responsible have to reply to each one, and make sure you copy the Chief Constable at all time. You could also copy the local press at all stages.
Alternatively enter into long and meaningful letter writing exercise asking for details of how the speed reading was achieved, the training and qualifications of the person(s) making the reading, the police service number of the equipment operator(s), the calibration certificate number of the speed measuring equipment, the name of the traffic officer authorising the site for measurement and details of the prior casualty levels at that site. Then ask how the police assured themselves that all requirements of the ACPO Guidelines for electronic speed measuring were complied. Write again if any of the questions are not fully and satisfactorily answered
Don't ask all the questions at once, but one at a time, to ensure that the police officers responsible have to reply to each one, and make sure you copy the Chief Constable at all time. You could also copy the local press at all stages.
superlightr said:
and us !
Oh yes, of course 'and us'!!!
Do it, and do it now, please!
I once had a 'thingy' from Brent Council which stated that I had driven on the pavement and that I should immediately pay a fine.
I wrote back requesting 'further and better details' and it turned out that after dropping off a passenger, I had reversed into the driveway of my passenger's house to turn round. It seemed that a neighbour, with whom my passenger didn't see 'eye-to-eye' had decided to get rather silly.
I wrote back saying that I did not intend to pay any fine not ordered by a court of law and that he should send me a summons to which I would plead not-guilty and that I would turn up with 3 witnesses to confirm that the alleged offence did not take place. Further that we would all be seeking significant costs. The reply said that no further action would be taken and concluded with the line: "I remain, Sir, your obedient servant, xxxxxx, Clerk to the Council". Ever courteous, I replied thanking him for his letter, concluding "You do indeed remain my obedient servant and would do well to remember that in future, Yours etc...".
cooperman said:
....... The reply said that no further action would be taken and concluded with the line: "I remain, Sir, your obedient servant, xxxxxx, Clerk to the Council". Ever courteous, I replied thanking him for his letter, concluding "You do indeed remain my obedient servant and would do well to remember that in future, Yours etc...".
Brilliant :ROFL:
BB
Oh, I had an even better one when a project manager who was working for me got banned for 14 days for 104 on the M6 whilst hurrying to a client meeting in Liverpool.
I wrote to the Chariman of the Magistrates demanding to know the basis on which this punishment was imposed as it had cost my employee a £60 fine, which I described as 'Saturday night spending money', whilst it cost me £600 to provide a driver, hotel bills for 2 persons instead of one, double expenses, etc, for 2 weeks. I said that so far as I was concerned I thought the idea was to punish the guilty, not the guilty's employers and that I required an explanation. I got a reply from the Clerk to the Justices saying that it was not their practice to give such replies particularly when the request was 'impertinent'. He too signed himself 'I remain, your obedient servant. In my reply I defined the word inpertinent, pointing out that when some stupid magistrate costs me £600 for someone else's misdemenour, then it is very pertinent and, anyway, I wrote to the Chairman of the Magistrates, not some jobsworth clerk. I said that when addressing the engine driver, I did not expect the oily rag to reply and that he did indeed remain my obedient servant. I then wrote to the Chairman of the Magistrates with a copy of my original letter and the observation that their mail was being interfered with.
They never replied - no surprise there - so I sent a letter to the local press which was published pointing out the stupidity of their magistrates.
Never give up giving them s**t when it's deserved.
I wrote to the Chariman of the Magistrates demanding to know the basis on which this punishment was imposed as it had cost my employee a £60 fine, which I described as 'Saturday night spending money', whilst it cost me £600 to provide a driver, hotel bills for 2 persons instead of one, double expenses, etc, for 2 weeks. I said that so far as I was concerned I thought the idea was to punish the guilty, not the guilty's employers and that I required an explanation. I got a reply from the Clerk to the Justices saying that it was not their practice to give such replies particularly when the request was 'impertinent'. He too signed himself 'I remain, your obedient servant. In my reply I defined the word inpertinent, pointing out that when some stupid magistrate costs me £600 for someone else's misdemenour, then it is very pertinent and, anyway, I wrote to the Chairman of the Magistrates, not some jobsworth clerk. I said that when addressing the engine driver, I did not expect the oily rag to reply and that he did indeed remain my obedient servant. I then wrote to the Chairman of the Magistrates with a copy of my original letter and the observation that their mail was being interfered with.
They never replied - no surprise there - so I sent a letter to the local press which was published pointing out the stupidity of their magistrates.
Never give up giving them s**t when it's deserved.
. Sounds like i could employ you to write some angry letters to a few people who have really hacked me off in the past 
As yet I haven't had the pleasure of being speed-checked by these localised do-gooders, but I can't wait. I shall stop and ask if I have managed to get 'Fastest Time of the Day'. If not, I'll go back and take another run at it, stop and ask again. Now, that should really p**s them off with a vengeance. Think what it would be like if everyone did that.
Now that's got me wondering what would happen if everyone who received an NiP from a Camera Pratnership simply ignored it, ignored any follow-up, ignored any summons and waited to be arrested. One might suppose that the entire cash-camera scheme would collapse very quickly and some level of sanity return to road traffic policing. That's too much to hope though!
Now that's got me wondering what would happen if everyone who received an NiP from a Camera Pratnership simply ignored it, ignored any follow-up, ignored any summons and waited to be arrested. One might suppose that the entire cash-camera scheme would collapse very quickly and some level of sanity return to road traffic policing. That's too much to hope though!
Peasants!borris-bear said:
Apparently i was caught doing 57 in a 40 by some kind of community speed watch operation.
That is the single most ridiculous, curtain twitching, waste of time I’ve heard in the last month!
cooperman said:
As yet I haven't had the pleasure of being speed-checked by these localised do-gooders, but I can't wait. I shall stop and ask if I have managed to get 'Fastest Time of the Day'. If not, I'll go back and take another run at it, stop and ask again.
cooperman said:
Send the letter back with a suggestion that they form it into a cone, starch it and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. That's all it's worth and it has no standing in law whatsoever.
Alternatively enter into long and meaningful letter writing exercise asking for details of how the speed reading was achieved, the training and qualifications of the person(s) making the reading, the police service number of the equipment operator(s), the calibration certificate number of the speed measuring equipment, the name of the traffic officer authorising the site for measurement and details of the prior casualty levels at that site. Then ask how the police assured themselves that all requirements of the ACPO Guidelines for electronic speed measuring were complied. Write again if any of the questions are not fully and satisfactorily answered
Don't ask all the questions at once, but one at a time, to ensure that the police officers responsible have to reply to each one, and make sure you copy the Chief Constable at all time. You could also copy the local press at all stages.
Im sure there must be some data protection questions to be asked as well :}
Good God if I was driving along and saw that lot pointing what "could" be Guns at me my natural instinct would be to raise my arms in the air thereby losing control of the vehicle and mounting the Kerb thereby mowing them down, (accidentally of course), how stupid in this day and age in Bliars Anarchic Britain where peeps go round shooting others on a daily basis
'Cos I'm involved with local 'stuff' I know a bit about Community Speed Watch. They were always accompanied by a BiB and (at least as far as my town was concerned) could only operate at three known locations - so nobody drove that way when they were out.
In the last 2-3 years they've tried desperately to get volunteers to keep it running but no one has come forward and it's faded away. Their second hand speed gun was last used to measure the speed of footballs.
In the last 2-3 years they've tried desperately to get volunteers to keep it running but no one has come forward and it's faded away. Their second hand speed gun was last used to measure the speed of footballs.
cooperman said:
and us !
Oh yes, of course 'and us'!!!
Do it, and do it now, please!
I once had a 'thingy' from Brent Council which stated that I had driven on the pavement and that I should immediately pay a fine.
I wrote back requesting 'further and better details' and it turned out that after dropping off a passenger, I had reversed into the driveway of my passenger's house to turn round. It seemed that a neighbour, with whom my passenger didn't see 'eye-to-eye' had decided to get rather silly.
I wrote back saying that I did not intend to pay any fine not ordered by a court of law and that he should send me a summons to which I would plead not-guilty and that I would turn up with 3 witnesses to confirm that the alleged offence did not take place. Further that we would all be seeking significant costs. The reply said that no further action would be taken and concluded with the line: "I remain, Sir, your obedient servant, xxxxxx, Clerk to the Council". Ever courteous, I replied thanking him for his letter, concluding "You do indeed remain my obedient servant and would do well to remember that in future, Yours etc...".
I like that ending to you letter!
We keep getting this in our ping pong of letters over a really dumb cycle lane up here!
a friend of mine was sent a letter a few years back by sussex police saying they were watching him as he was reported as the third worst driver in the area according to the local nimbies
anyway his mate came round to show him a letter as he was number 2
they never found number 1 and if anyone knows who that was in the selsey area we are interested
anyway his mate came round to show him a letter as he was number 2
they never found number 1 and if anyone knows who that was in the selsey area we are interested
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