School crossing patrols
Discussion
vonhosen said:
It section 28 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 that makes it an offence not to stop for school crossing patrols. The section was amended in 2001 abolishing set hours for the crossings to operate and allowing everyone, not just children to use them.
Thanks for your most informed reply. John
Edited by FortJefferson on Friday 30th June 22:10
There ist a lovely old guy who does job at the kittens' school. He always smiles at the drivers und gives a friendly wave und thank you to them. I always thank him too for escorting the rogues across the road too.
However, my sister-in-law tell me that lovely lady does a lolly duty at a pelican immediately outside a secondary school in her area. However, she notice that the kids do not bother to walk up to crossing - but cross that bit further on where ist more dangerous on a widish 30 mph road set either side of a 40 mph zone (ist 30 mph for the three quarter mile where school ist located
- it should be for the full mile..at least - (where the cams are incidentally ... in the 40 mph which apparently look like NSL as no buildings per my sister-in-law who use this road each day.)
But anyway - she says the kids cross where ist more dangerous und still have to walk the same distance as the crossing ist immediately outside the school gates She does say though that these children are looking as they cross und she has often just stopped to allow them to cross safely. She once asked them to use the crossing - politely commending them for looking continually but suggested that they may be safer to use the crossing. As she teaches - und they obviously recognised she ist used to children of their age group - they said they would do so. She does see this bunch walking up to the pelican when she passes now - und they always wave to her! 
She ist a teacher at another secondary school in the same borough ..(hers ist in a more residential setting but just outside a busy town centre) She has called the school's head to ask him to try to encourage the kids to use the lolly lady und the pelican crossing.
However, my sister-in-law tell me that lovely lady does a lolly duty at a pelican immediately outside a secondary school in her area. However, she notice that the kids do not bother to walk up to crossing - but cross that bit further on where ist more dangerous on a widish 30 mph road set either side of a 40 mph zone (ist 30 mph for the three quarter mile where school ist located
- it should be for the full mile..at least - (where the cams are incidentally ... in the 40 mph which apparently look like NSL as no buildings per my sister-in-law who use this road each day.) But anyway - she says the kids cross where ist more dangerous und still have to walk the same distance as the crossing ist immediately outside the school gates
She does say though that these children are looking as they cross und she has often just stopped to allow them to cross safely. She once asked them to use the crossing - politely commending them for looking continually but suggested that they may be safer to use the crossing. As she teaches - und they obviously recognised she ist used to children of their age group - they said they would do so. She does see this bunch walking up to the pelican when she passes now - und they always wave to her! She ist a teacher at another secondary school in the same borough ..(hers ist in a more residential setting but just outside a busy town centre) She has called the school's head to ask him to try to encourage the kids to use the lolly lady und the pelican crossing.vonhosen said:
It section 28 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 that makes it an offence not to stop for school crossing patrols. The section was amended in 2001 abolishing set hours for the crossings to operate and allowing everyone, not just children to use them.
While I have complete respect for school crossing patrols protecting the safety of the youngsters going to/coming from school etc., extending their powers to that they can stop the traffic for any pedestrian at any time of day seems wrong to me.
Is it yet another little measure intended to be a pain in the bum for drivers?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:
vonhosen said:
It section 28 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 that makes it an offence not to stop for school crossing patrols. The section was amended in 2001 abolishing set hours for the crossings to operate and allowing everyone, not just children to use them.
While I have complete respect for school crossing patrols protecting the safety of the youngsters going to/coming from school etc., extending their powers to that they can stop the traffic for any pedestrian at any time of day seems wrong to me.
Is it yet another little measure intended to be a pain in the bum for drivers?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
But Triple Liebchen
But lolly ladies und gents are still operating at school hours only. (Morning, noon und chuck out time - dependent on the school day - some have this "continental day".
Which work fine for civilised mainland Europe but not for chav society Britain.
I do not think councils have the cash to fund all the time. Perhaps your local authority has a bit more cash ring marked for this..
WildCat said:
TripleS said:
vonhosen said:
It section 28 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 that makes it an offence not to stop for school crossing patrols. The section was amended in 2001 abolishing set hours for the crossings to operate and allowing everyone, not just children to use them.
While I have complete respect for school crossing patrols protecting the safety of the youngsters going to/coming from school etc., extending their powers to that they can stop the traffic for any pedestrian at any time of day seems wrong to me.
Is it yet another little measure intended to be a pain in the bum for drivers?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
But Triple Liebchen
But lolly ladies und gents are still operating at school hours only. (Morning, noon und chuck out time - dependent on the school day - some have this "continental day".
Which work fine for civilised mainland Europe but not for chav society Britain.
I do not think councils have the cash to fund all the time. Perhaps your local authority has a bit more cash ring marked for this..
Indeed, they aren't going to be paid to do it at all hours of the day & they aren't going to be there if they aren't being paid.
The changes just provide greater flexibility, different schools operate different hours.
I think on the whole SCP's do a fine and useful job - problem comes with the training and ability of some of them. But, if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
At a school near me there is an 'elderly' gent who is superb. Holds the children on the pavement until there is a group of them, makes eye contact with on-coming drivers and then steps out and allows the children to cross.
A few hundred yards away there is a 'middle aged' lady who will leap out into the road like a startled stag at the first sign a child is approaching and then hold up the traffic until every child in sight is across the road.
Both get the children across the road safely - generally but;
Guess which one gets the most respect from drivers?
Guess which one is, and has been, a driver for many years?
Guess which site has the least congestion?
Mmmmm
BB
At a school near me there is an 'elderly' gent who is superb. Holds the children on the pavement until there is a group of them, makes eye contact with on-coming drivers and then steps out and allows the children to cross.
A few hundred yards away there is a 'middle aged' lady who will leap out into the road like a startled stag at the first sign a child is approaching and then hold up the traffic until every child in sight is across the road.
Both get the children across the road safely - generally but;
Guess which one gets the most respect from drivers?
Guess which one is, and has been, a driver for many years?
Guess which site has the least congestion?
Mmmmm
BB
vonhosen said:
I take it when you said SCPs you were refering to School Crossing Patrols not Safety Camera Partnerships.
Not as there's much difference between them, one undoubtably saves lots of little childrens lives, and the other contributes to the deaths of extra little childrens lives, so one counters the others safety. Think we can let you come to the right decision on which is which?
vonhosen said:
WildCat said:
TripleS said:
vonhosen said:
It section 28 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 that makes it an offence not to stop for school crossing patrols. The section was amended in 2001 abolishing set hours for the crossings to operate and allowing everyone, not just children to use them.
While I have complete respect for school crossing patrols protecting the safety of the youngsters going to/coming from school etc., extending their powers to that they can stop the traffic for any pedestrian at any time of day seems wrong to me.
Is it yet another little measure intended to be a pain in the bum for drivers?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
But Triple Liebchen
But lolly ladies und gents are still operating at school hours only. (Morning, noon und chuck out time - dependent on the school day - some have this "continental day".
Which work fine for civilised mainland Europe but not for chav society Britain.
I do not think councils have the cash to fund all the time. Perhaps your local authority has a bit more cash ring marked for this..
Indeed, they aren't going to be paid to do it at all hours of the day & they aren't going to be there if they aren't being paid.
The changes just provide greater flexibility, different schools operate different hours.
If they only wanted their existing powers to apply over a longer period, all they would have needed to do is extend the period. This change strikes me as another example of excessive authority being requested "but it's OK, we don't intend to use the full authority". My view is that it should only be granted if it is needed, and I can't see any reason why these new powers would be needed. Is there anything that says these crossing patrols are only authorised to stop traffic when they're being paid? It seems to me that we may effectively be giving a group of people the authority to step into the road and stop traffic whenever they want to. Wouldn't the pillocks from "reclaim the streets" just love to have powers like that?
vonhosen said:
WildCat said:
TripleS said:
While I have complete respect for school crossing patrols protecting the safety of the youngsters going to/coming from school etc., extending their powers to that they can stop the traffic for any pedestrian at any time of day seems wrong to me.
Is it yet another little measure intended to be a pain in the bum for drivers?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Is it yet another little measure intended to be a pain in the bum for drivers?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
But Triple Liebchen
But lolly ladies und gents are still operating at school hours only. (Morning, noon und chuck out time - dependent on the school day - some have this "continental day".
Which work fine for civilised mainland Europe but not for chav society Britain.
I do not think councils have the cash to fund all the time. Perhaps your local authority has a bit more cash ring marked for this..
Indeed, they aren't going to be paid to do it at all hours of the day & they aren't going to be there if they aren't being paid.
The changes just provide greater flexibility, different schools operate different hours.
OK, so provide greater flexibility to match variable school hours, and provide safe crossing for school children and leave it at that.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
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