Mobile Speed camers Vans!!

[jamescarter1981]

Ok, don't know where the speed, Plod and the Law forum has gone, so i'll post here.

A friend drove past a speed camera van and wants to know if they have to have an operator inside to check speeds or not.

Discuss gents and ladies.

[puggit]

In this heat the operator (as there would be one) would need air/con. In order to have air/con the van would need the engine running if sitting there for any period of time...

Having the engine running is a

[nicecupoftea]

If you can't see SP&L it's because you're bot logged in, HTH.

[J500ANT]

puggit said:

In this heat the operator (as there would be one) would need air/con. In order to have air/con the van would need the engine running if sitting there for any period of time...

Having the engine running is a

I have an email from the Avon and Somerset safety camera partnership, saying they use the vehicles heating system for heating and cooling. They're sat in Ford Galaxy 2.8 v6's!

I sent an email to the local papers about this but they didnt take it up.

[planetdave]

If you're bot logged in then how can you post?

[planetdave]

puggit said:

In this heat the operator (as there would be one) would need air/con.

There is no maximum working temperature statute.

[mattyboy101]

planetdave said:

puggit said:

In this heat the operator (as there would be one) would need air/con.

There is no maximum working temperature statute.

Oh really? Then allow me to introduce my new invention, the Scamera Van 3000:

[nicecupoftea]

planetdave said:

If you're bot logged in then how can you post?

Don't know - maybe he clicked "new thread" and then logged in that way? It's the usual reason for SP&L not showing up.

[puggit]

planetdave said:

puggit said:

In this heat the operator (as there would be one) would need air/con.

There is no maximum working temperature statute.

Correct, but how long could you sit in a stationary vehicle in this heat?

[planetdave]

Are you talking overtime or standard rate?

[Big Al.]

jamescarter1981 said:

Ok, don't know where the speed, Plod and the Law forum has gone, so i'll post here.

A friend drove past a speed camera van and wants to know if they have to have an operator inside to check speeds or not.

Discuss gents and ladies.

You'll need to ensure that you are logged into PH before you can see it.

Have a go and see if it works, come back with a reply and we can move it across.

[puggit]

Here we are

[deeps]

mattyboy101 said:

planetdave said:

puggit said:

In this heat the operator (as there would be one) would need air/con.

There is no maximum working temperature statute.

Oh really? Then allow me to introduce my new invention, the Scamera Van 3000:

very good, I'll have mine medium rare

[smeggy]

jamescarter1981 said:

A friend drove past a speed camera van and wants to know if they have to have an operator inside to check speeds or not.

Usually yes. There must be two separate means of establishing the occurrence of a speeding offence. The simple handheld speedmeters (lidar/radar) will require the opinion of the operator (prior opinion would be nice.......). I think there is a porta-gatso that can be used in unattended mode (double flasher, assuming graduated lines are marked on the road).

However, who would be dumb enough to leave such an instrument, the focus of so much hatred, unattended?

[jith]

deeps said:

mattyboy101 said:

planetdave said:

puggit said:

In this heat the operator (as there would be one) would need air/con.

There is no maximum working temperature statute.

Oh really? Then allow me to introduce my new invention, the Scamera Van 3000:

very good, I'll have mine medium rare

You mean you'd eat a scamera operator!!!
No thanks!
I'll stick to escargot, it's twice as clean and half as slimy!!!

[planetdave]

smeggy said:

jamescarter1981 said:

A friend drove past a speed camera van and wants to know if they have to have an operator inside to check speeds or not.

Usually yes. There must be two separate means of establishing the occurrence of a speeding offence. The simple handheld speedmeters (lidar/radar) will require the opinion of the operator (prior opinion would be nice.......). I think there is a porta-gatso that can be used in unattended mode (double flasher, assuming graduated lines are marked on the road).

However, who would be dumb enough to leave such an instrument, the focus of so much hatred, unattended?

I find it interesting that a scamera operator (who may well be civvy) can form an opinion about your speed and then back it up with a measuring device. Surely if the operator uses the 'device' and finds that the vehicle is in the legal range then the operators opinion is, what we call, 'rubbish'.

A fine legal can of worms.

BRUNSTROMTASTIC!

[deeps]

jith said:

You mean you'd eat a scamera operator!!!
No thanks!
I'll stick to escargot, it's twice as clean and half as slimy!!!

You're absolutely right there jith!

Second thoughts, I think I'll change my order to very well done, with a doggy bag.

[smeggy]

planetdave said:

Surely if the operator uses the 'device' and finds that the vehicle is in the legal range then the operators opinion is, what we call, 'rubbish'.

Yup! This is a good reason to ask for the video of the whole session if you are caught. If it can be shown that the operator was fishing then there could not have been 'speed measurement by two separate means', therefore subsequent convictions from that session cannot be lawful.