RE: Speed cameras don't work: official
RE: Speed cameras don't work: official
Friday 4th August 2006

Speed cameras don't work: official

More evidence against cash cameras


Speed cameras don't work
Speed cameras don't work
Speed cameras don't work -- it's official.

Trials on the M42 near Birmingham found that devices which shamed drivers passing roadworks into slowing down were more effective than speed cameras, even though no penalties were issued.

That's according to a piece in this morning's Times newspaper, which said that the vehicle-activated devices showed drivers' numberplates on a big sign at the roadside, rather than snapping them and issuing penalty notices. The trials were conducted in a 50 mph temporary limit, and discovered that half the vehicles travelling faster than 55mph slowed down to close to the speed limit, including two thirds of those exceeding 60mph.

The Department for Transport (DfT) found that a similar area infested with cameras only slowed a third of cars, and they soon speeded up after passing the camera. And the cameras were generating thousands of pounds, confirming that they're not effective in slowing people down.

Road campaign Safe Speed said that this was a move in the right direction, but that it didn't come with an admission from the DfT that "speed cameras have comprehensively failed as a road safety intervention".

According to Safe Speed, research commissioned by the Highways Agency and uncovered by Safe Speed using the Freedom of Information Act, warns that fixed speed cameras are associated with a 55 per cent increase in injury crashes at motorway road works.

Campaign founder Paul Smith said: "Speed cameras don't work, and I'm very relieved to hear that we will not be using them as often in the future. However, part of the problem is an excessive degree of focus on numerical vehicle speed and it seems we will have to wait some more before Department for Transport wakes up to reality.

"I am quite sure that Department for Transport is now aware of the failure of its policies but is refusing to admit it. This is an appalling state of affairs - people are dying on our roads simply because ministers are not prepared to admit their mistakes.

"We will not get road safety back on track until all the speed cameras are scrapped."

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mat205125

Original Poster:

17,790 posts

243 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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Reality check everyone!

Can you really see the government replacing their cameras with non-profit making measures, even if the evidence is there that the non-profit measures would be more successful???

Maybe Lucifer has to use his ice skates to get to the office!

mondeohdear

2,046 posts

245 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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I was just thinking. If this article is correct, how about an RDS encoder connected to a speech synthesis unit reading out your registration number and speed as you pass radar traps?

LooseCannon

288 posts

257 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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Agree to a point but it boils my pi55 when I go past one and it blinks like a scolding nanny when I'm like one 1 or 2 mph over.....maybe people would pay even more attention if they blinked when there was a genuine measurable (and punishable) infringement of +10%

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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Transport Research Laboratory concluded, some time ago, that vehicle activated warning signs are three times more effective than speed cameras.

Glad to see that more of these devices are being used. One has just gone up near me and others have appeared in Derbyshire and Cheshire, so government is taking heed.

If they really did have an interest in improving safety, however, they would uproot all cameras and substitute these signs.

The old argument that vehicle activated signs are magnets for boy racers, going for the record indicated speed, are easily avoided by flashing up only the speed limit.

Come on, Ladyman, you know it makes sense...even if it doesn't make money.

I'm surprised Brunstrom isn't flogging his guts to make Blair change policy on this issue. After all, Dickie boy's sole motive is safety, isn't it...?

Edited by mybrainhurts on Friday 4th August 11:42

chrisbr68

5,500 posts

278 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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I agree, I think that the ones that flash up the speed limit do make me take notice. I slow down, but I dont feel the need to take my eyes off the road(which would probably be the worst thing to do at that point) because there is no fear of a fine! They tell me that I am speeding so I slow down, a speed camera may not do that, it will tell me after the dangerous point when I get home to find a letter!

fourwheelsteer

869 posts

282 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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I'm not sure I see the connection between complying with the posted speed limit and driving safely. Flashig signs may do more to improve compliance but how do they help safety? Surely anything that causes a disruption to the flow of traffic has to be bad for safety.

cliffe_mafia

1,739 posts

268 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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fourwheelsteer said:
I'm not sure I see the connection between complying with the posted speed limit and driving safely. Flashig signs may do more to improve compliance but how do they help safety? Surely anything that causes a disruption to the flow of traffic has to be bad for safety.


I agree - I don't slow down if some patronising sign tells me I'm 2/5/10 mph over the limit. I'd rather select my own safe speed for the road.

Edited by cliffe_mafia on Friday 4th August 13:12

apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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"More evidence against cash cameras



Speed cameras don't work -- it's official"



Again?!! who gives a toss, no one is about to remove em

sneakypete

173 posts

259 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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That's right. Unless we all work TOGETHER!

Come on! Let's burn 'em!

apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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sneakypete said:
That's right. Unless we all work TOGETHER!

Come on! Let's burn 'em!



round our way we tend to pull em out of the ground, much more permanent

stenniso

350 posts

261 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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fourwheelsteer said:
I'm not sure I see the connection between complying with the posted speed limit and driving safely. Flashig signs may do more to improve compliance but how do they help safety? Surely anything that causes a disruption to the flow of traffic has to be bad for safety.


But the advantage of the flashing sign is that because there is no fear of punishment, you could lift off to slow down, rather than panic brake. You can also give a cursory extra check of your speedo, rather than becoming obsessed with it for fear of punishment.

I see these signs as a gentle reminder at a pertinent time, rather than a kick up the backside when it's too late to adjust your behaviour or even remember what you did wrong.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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apache said:
Again?!! who gives a toss, no one is about to remove em


Defeatist...

I can show you one that's been removed in Sheffield and one that's been removed in Renishaw and several that are still in situ but decommissioned in Chesterfield...

So there....

apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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mybrainhurts said:
apache said:
Again?!! who gives a toss, no one is about to remove em


Defeatist...

I can show you one that's been removed in Sheffield and one that's been removed in Renishaw and several that are still in situ but decommissioned in Chesterfield...

So there....


Not defeatist old chum, merely change of tictacs. Despite the efforts of the ABD, Safespeed and the IAM these things are here to stay. If they do go they will be replaced by talivans manned by HATO. Which would you prefer?

I'm beginning to see the light........from a smouldering tyre on a pole

AdvocatusDiaboli

2,278 posts

261 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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apache said:
"More evidence against cash cameras



Speed cameras don't work -- it's official"



Again?!! who gives a toss, no one is about to remove em


Took the words out of my mouth. They generate far too much cash for any govt to ignore.

hollowlegs

5,910 posts

246 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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Well its our own fault , none of us challenge big brother (government) all we do is moan on forums like these ...The british public lost the fighting spirit years ago , all we are now are sheep , sorry gotta go theirs my flock

safespeed

2,983 posts

304 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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hollowlegs said:
Well its our own fault , none of us challenge big brother (government) all we do is moan on forums like these ...The british public lost the fighting spirit years ago , all we are now are sheep , sorry gotta go theirs my flock


Ahem! That's not true. I've been full time 'challenging big brother' for three and a half years now. And I've had some worthwhile, no some essential, financial support from the good folk hereabouts.

I do need more support though. I'm now personally £13,000 and 20,000 unpaid hours out of pocket. Don't underestimate the impact. We definitely have the DfT on the run.

PLEASE folks, help support Safe Speed. £5 or £5,000 all support greatly appreciated, and I promise to put every penny to excellent use. See: www.safespeed.org.uk/join.html

Or click the following Paypal link directly for a donation of any amount: https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=psm

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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I've donated

Come on chaps.

Boosted.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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be careful what you wish for.

i'd rather have 10 fixed gatso's than 1 parasite loser in a van with a laser.

townrow

81 posts

242 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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So Safe speed you have put in 18hours every day for the last 3 1/2 years - I think not -but a comendable effort and more people should try to emulate your ways and maybe we might see a change!

The best way for change is to come up with reasnoble ideas and lobby for them to replace the stupid laws and things we have rather then blathering on how bad the the laws are!

safespeed

2,983 posts

304 months

Friday 4th August 2006
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townrow said:
So Safe speed you have put in 18hours every day for the last 3 1/2 years - I think not -but a comendable effort and more people should try to emulate your ways and maybe we might see a change!


You got the sum wrong - 3.5 years * 365 days * 15.66 hours ~= 20,000

It's also the wrong sum. I've been doing it for over five years, and put in over 5,000 hours before I went full time in early 2003.