"Police target driving 'loopholes'"
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The association (ACPO) hopes motorists will avoid contesting their speeding charge because if they lose, their costs will include up to £4,000 for the cost of the team.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5340846
Typical of the current trend. It used to be the Police used driving laws to keep the roads safe. Now the policy seems to be that they'll use "THE LAW" to backup automated systems that do little to make roads safe. If they continue this Vindictive policy they will lose even more respect. If they start harrassing drivers the police involved could be in hot water!
Edited by telecat on Wednesday 13th September 07:36
As said over the road on the same thread on Paulie's site...
He must be a filling short of a full doughnut on this.
How do you "target" a driver as this system relies on number plate recognition (und we already know that DVLA records are not up to speed as they have admitted 9 million untraceable illegals out there anyway ...
(source of comment - tabloid press last week - various).
Drivers can use company cars - which can become additional "pools" in office time und when not in use by assigned driver.
People hire cars..
People buy used cars
People buy new cars.
Number plates then change und if person buy a used car which was pinged a few times und up for sale because person lost licence on tot up .. then that person could then be "targetted" simply because of the reg number per this.
So .. how can they monitor these drivers then? Load of nonsense to scare more to signing the NIP und not challenging it.
Und there are cases.. Folly Botton.. M4 fiasco.. Manchester road works (Oldham area)..whereby prats enforced incorrect speed limit und the error only came to light when someone challenged as well.
Prats by nature 
He must be a filling short of a full doughnut on this.
How do you "target" a driver as this system relies on number plate recognition (und we already know that DVLA records are not up to speed as they have admitted 9 million untraceable illegals out there anyway ...
(source of comment - tabloid press last week - various). Drivers can use company cars - which can become additional "pools" in office time und when not in use by assigned driver.
People hire cars..
People buy used cars
People buy new cars.
Number plates then change und if person buy a used car which was pinged a few times und up for sale because person lost licence on tot up .. then that person could then be "targetted" simply because of the reg number per this.
So .. how can they monitor these drivers then? Load of nonsense to scare more to signing the NIP und not challenging it.
Und there are cases.. Folly Botton.. M4 fiasco.. Manchester road works (Oldham area)..whereby prats enforced incorrect speed limit und the error only came to light when someone challenged as well.
Prats by nature
Using the threat of a legal team's £4,000 costs to force a confession rather than accept a fixed penalty is downright f
g extorsion! It's like a police equivalent of a protection racket. "Fork over your sixty quid sonny, and we'll forget about it. Go to court and we'll make sure you get stung for 4 grand costs as well"
Just because the coppers can't be arsed to get their case right in the first place!
g extorsion! It's like a police equivalent of a protection racket. "Fork over your sixty quid sonny, and we'll forget about it. Go to court and we'll make sure you get stung for 4 grand costs as well" Just because the coppers can't be arsed to get their case right in the first place!
Sadly, I am arriving at the conclusion that the Police are an expensive luxury. They do not come when asked for help, they do not investigate crimes, they do not catch burglars and muggers or sort out scrotes. We are getting ripped off every year in the rates paying for a service we are not getting. If the police put as much effort into catching burglars and muggers et al as they do in persecuting drivers, then crime rates would be at an all time low. In my opinion it would be better to just have a serious crime squad and sack the rest. (Rant over)
They're quite good at holding press conferences though, Technbob. I gladly pay my rates just so that they can have a nice background when they're announcing that they have reduced the number of reported crimes by 99% by the simple measure of offering to charge anybody with wasting police time if they can't solve it
. I gladly pay my rates just so that they can have a nice background when they're announcing that they have reduced the number of reported crimes by 99% by the simple measure of offering to charge anybody with wasting police time if they can't solve it The eeb article said:
Meredydd Hughes, the chief constable of South Yorkshire Police, said officers were becoming increasingly frustrated with lawyers who used legal small print to help win acquittals for clients.
"There have been a number of cases where people feel that justice has not been done, both in the drink-driving world and in other cases where people have evaded the law having driven cars recklessly and at very high speeds," he said.
"There have been a number of cases where people feel that justice has not been done, both in the drink-driving world and in other cases where people have evaded the law having driven cars recklessly and at very high speeds," he said.
Translation: These motorists are innocent - having had their cases heard the verdict went in their favour. Regrettably the Courts get it wrong as we already know whether somebody is guilty or innocent and the Courts are hardly necessary, but due to a mixture of police / CPS / procedural incompetence, lawyers who actually know the law are putting forward a strong case and winning. This is unacceptable. We have always enjoyed the lazy privilege of making sure motorists obey the law while the poloice, councils, highways authorities and real criminals don't have to. We've been in the habit of doing half a job badly and still winning due to tame mags, we can cope with the odd stipe as fact of life. In order to return to these halcyon days we're wasting resources in a show of public sector largesse that should put the frighteners on a few of these lawyers' clients and ensure that the police state we crave is a step closer. HMG are at about the same level so they'll love it so my future preferment looks even more secure.
It is a shame that the police are not as upset that rape cases usually fail to convict. Or that murderers are on the increase, as are armed offences.
Why is it exactly that when these defendants try to plead not guilty (or try to find loopholes), but are found guilty, that they are not pursued for costs??
Why is it exactly that when these defendants try to plead not guilty (or try to find loopholes), but are found guilty, that they are not pursued for costs??
7db said:
Thought it was a good article with a lot of sense spoken.
Police - tired of CPS screwing up.
Nick Freeman - tired of showing where CPS are screwing up
Liberty - but if CPS screw up, the motorist is innocent
MH - ...and they'll do it again so we'll catch them next time.
Police - tired of CPS screwing up.
Nick Freeman - tired of showing where CPS are screwing up
Liberty - but if CPS screw up, the motorist is innocent
MH - ...and they'll do it again so we'll catch them next time.
Add another one...if anyone dare challenge the charge and make us do some work then if they're found guilty we'll sting 'em for the whole amount.Where's the equality of justice here?Do burglars,car theives,kiddy fiddlers,rapists and the likes have to pay for the prosecution costs?
7db said:
Thought it was a good article with a lot of sense spoken.
Police - tired of CPS screwing up.
Nick Freeman - tired of showing where CPS are screwing up
Liberty - but if CPS screw up, the motorist is innocent
MH - ...and they'll do it again so we'll catch them next time.
Police - tired of CPS screwing up.
Nick Freeman - tired of showing where CPS are screwing up
Liberty - but if CPS screw up, the motorist is innocent
MH - ...and they'll do it again so we'll catch them next time.
MH also said that the motorists will be targetted to check they have mended their ways.
That can only be possible in a very few cases, ie suspected habitual DUI, high profile DLAP offenders.
And concerning the issue of various bodies tired because various other people screwing up and people being found not guilty.
No mention of people getting tired of people being found guilty on the basis of dubious evidence from LTI20-20 dodgyscope, supported by expert witness evidence from an individual who in no way qualifies as expert nor independant, supported by evidence by Word Template from the scamps, supported by operations which are outwith significant issues mentioned in the code of practice.
mondeohdear said:
7db said:
mondeohdear said:
The targetting of people who are acquitted surely amounts to police harassment.
Not if they do something wrong - that's "intelligence-led policing".
Is that not a bit of an oxymoron there
No offence intended BiB posters
That's you done for mate.
Vesuvius 996 said:
mondeohdear said:
7db said:
mondeohdear said:
The targetting of people who are acquitted surely amounts to police harassment.
Not if they do something wrong - that's "intelligence-led policing".
Is that not a bit of an oxymoron there
No offence intended BiB posters
That's you done for mate.
They'll never take me alive!
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