Amazing - some sense from road safety liaison officer
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Taken from the Rugby Times today:
The Rugby Times backed a campaign to reduce the speed limit on this stretch of the A45 in their Aug 29 issue, which was page one news. This response was relegated to the bottom of page 10.
Rugby Times said:
Speed "not the answer" on A45
Cutting the speed limit on a killer stretch of the A45 might not cut the number of accidents there, traffic chiefs have claimed.
Eight people have been killed nd dozens more injured in three years on the roiad between Willoughby and Dunchurch. But statistics show only one of the smashes was caused by speed. The other major factors were:
* Wet Weather
* Bad Visibility
* Unfamiliarity with the road
Emma Teagles, whose husband Marc died in a motorbike crash there in 2003, has called for measures to put the brakes on speeding traffic. Her campaign, backed by the Rugby Times, has also won support from MP Jeremy Wright, and a meeting in Willoughby saw the launch of a petition.
But Chris Fossey, Warwickshire County Council's [sic] road safety liaison officer, said: "The reduction of the speed limit seldom works, It isn't just a question of reducing the speed limit, it is getting people to adhere to it."
He added that engineers were looking at the options and their investigation would be complete by the end of September.
Three people - two from Dunchurch and one from Daventry - were killed in a head-on smash at the site on August 24.
Cllr Gordon Collet (Con, Leam Valley) said: "It is time the slaughter stopped."
Cutting the speed limit on a killer stretch of the A45 might not cut the number of accidents there, traffic chiefs have claimed.
Eight people have been killed nd dozens more injured in three years on the roiad between Willoughby and Dunchurch. But statistics show only one of the smashes was caused by speed. The other major factors were:
* Wet Weather
* Bad Visibility
* Unfamiliarity with the road
Emma Teagles, whose husband Marc died in a motorbike crash there in 2003, has called for measures to put the brakes on speeding traffic. Her campaign, backed by the Rugby Times, has also won support from MP Jeremy Wright, and a meeting in Willoughby saw the launch of a petition.
But Chris Fossey, Warwickshire County Council's [sic] road safety liaison officer, said: "The reduction of the speed limit seldom works, It isn't just a question of reducing the speed limit, it is getting people to adhere to it."
He added that engineers were looking at the options and their investigation would be complete by the end of September.
Three people - two from Dunchurch and one from Daventry - were killed in a head-on smash at the site on August 24.
Cllr Gordon Collet (Con, Leam Valley) said: "It is time the slaughter stopped."
The Rugby Times backed a campaign to reduce the speed limit on this stretch of the A45 in their Aug 29 issue, which was page one news. This response was relegated to the bottom of page 10.
turbobloke said:
Councillor Rotating Eyeballs Gordon Collet said:
It is time the slaughter stopped.
Sad but true, if only them daddylonglegs things would settle away from the grass we wouldn't kill so many walking through the park. What?
I think you'll find it's the daddy longlegs that are killing the grass...
Rugby Times said:
Speed "not the answer" on A45
Cutting the speed limit on a killer stretch of the A45 might not cut the number of accidents there, traffic chiefs have claimed.
Cutting the speed limit on a killer stretch of the A45 might not cut the number of accidents there, traffic chiefs have claimed.
Don't you just love unbiased reporting:
When something is claimed
Inference is that its untrue and unfounded
When something is said/maintained etc
Inference is that its true and proven
Read the first line again with the word claimed replaced by stated.
At least someone (who has probably received his P45) has the common sense to stand up and say that maybe reducing the speed isn't the answer. Or (maybe I'm cynical) are they going to reduce the speed limit on a temporary basis and enforce to make money after telling the press the limit will not be changed?
7db said:
turbobloke said:
Councillor Rotating Eyeballs Gordon Collet said:
It is time the slaughter stopped.
Sad but true, if only them daddylonglegs things would settle away from the grass we wouldn't kill so many walking through the park. What?
I think you'll find it's the daddy longlegs that are killing the grass...
Either way, i hate these blo$dy daddy long legs!! They are everywhere - are they related to scameras?
jwo said:
7db said:
turbobloke said:
Councillor Rotating Eyeballs Gordon Collet said:
It is time the slaughter stopped.
Sad but true, if only them daddylonglegs things would settle away from the grass we wouldn't kill so many walking through the park. What?
I think you'll find it's the daddy longlegs that are killing the grass...
Either way, i hate these blo$dy daddy long legs!! They are everywhere - are they related to scameras?
nano technology... they ARE the cameras. Sent by the government to monitor you and tax you on everything you do. So just be good citizen and comply. The government knows best.
Rugby Times said:
But Chris Fossey, Warwickshire County Council's [sic] road safety liaison officer, said: "The reduction of the speed limit seldom works, It isn't just a question of reducing the speed limit, it is getting people to adhere to it."
So more cameras or maybe a mobile van, then. Just what you need on a good day with excellent driving conditions. The equipment doesn't work too well in Wet Weather and Bad Visibility
cptsideways said:
I wonder if they are starting to realise that reducing the speed limits on such roads increases overtaking in a largely untrained to do so population of drivers.
More white lines no doubt
More white lines no doubt
And bunching up of the traffic, thus preventing those with the knowledge and ability to overtake not being able to!
jwo said:
cptsideways said:
I wonder if they are starting to realise that reducing the speed limits on such roads increases overtaking in a largely untrained to do so population of drivers.
More white lines no doubt
More white lines no doubt
And bunching up of the traffic, thus preventing those with the knowledge and ability to overtake not being able to!
.... increasing frustration, causing more impatience so that when a strtch of road is available for overtaking there are a number of drivers all trying to use the limited opportunity which causes an accident so they put up more white lines and cameras - self perpetuating! GRRRRRRRR!
Actually, IMHO the key word in that quote is the "just" in "it isn't just a case of reducing speed limits."
So, what they're actually talking about *is* a reduction in the speed limit plus some measure (be it passive via road engineering or active via cameras / vans) to then enforce the reduced (presumably) limit.
It's the standard stance, just with a different spin on it.
So, what they're actually talking about *is* a reduction in the speed limit plus some measure (be it passive via road engineering or active via cameras / vans) to then enforce the reduced (presumably) limit.
It's the standard stance, just with a different spin on it.
victormeldrew said:
Taken from the Rugby Times today:
The Rugby Times backed a campaign to reduce the speed limit on this stretch of the A45 in their Aug 29 issue, which was page one news. This response was relegated to the bottom of page 10.
Rugby Times said:
Speed "not the answer" on A45
Cutting the speed limit on a killer stretch of the A45 might not cut the number of accidents there, traffic chiefs have claimed.
Eight people have been killed nd dozens more injured in three years on the roiad between Willoughby and Dunchurch. But statistics show only one of the smashes was caused by speed. The other major factors were:
* Wet Weather
* Bad Visibility
* Unfamiliarity with the road
Emma Teagles, whose husband Marc died in a motorbike crash there in 2003, has called for measures to put the brakes on speeding traffic. Her campaign, backed by the Rugby Times, has also won support from MP Jeremy Wright, and a meeting in Willoughby saw the launch of a petition.
But Chris Fossey, Warwickshire County Council's [sic] road safety liaison officer, said: "The reduction of the speed limit seldom works, It isn't just a question of reducing the speed limit, it is getting people to adhere to it."
He added that engineers were looking at the options and their investigation would be complete by the end of September.
Three people - two from Dunchurch and one from Daventry - were killed in a head-on smash at the site on August 24.
Cllr Gordon Collet (Con, Leam Valley) said: "It is time the slaughter stopped."
Cutting the speed limit on a killer stretch of the A45 might not cut the number of accidents there, traffic chiefs have claimed.
Eight people have been killed nd dozens more injured in three years on the roiad between Willoughby and Dunchurch. But statistics show only one of the smashes was caused by speed. The other major factors were:
* Wet Weather
* Bad Visibility
* Unfamiliarity with the road
Emma Teagles, whose husband Marc died in a motorbike crash there in 2003, has called for measures to put the brakes on speeding traffic. Her campaign, backed by the Rugby Times, has also won support from MP Jeremy Wright, and a meeting in Willoughby saw the launch of a petition.
But Chris Fossey, Warwickshire County Council's [sic] road safety liaison officer, said: "The reduction of the speed limit seldom works, It isn't just a question of reducing the speed limit, it is getting people to adhere to it."
He added that engineers were looking at the options and their investigation would be complete by the end of September.
Three people - two from Dunchurch and one from Daventry - were killed in a head-on smash at the site on August 24.
Cllr Gordon Collet (Con, Leam Valley) said: "It is time the slaughter stopped."
The Rugby Times backed a campaign to reduce the speed limit on this stretch of the A45 in their Aug 29 issue, which was page one news. This response was relegated to the bottom of page 10.
The whole article is full of emotive language which is then only thing that makes it newsworthy to the paper
"Killer stretch of the A45"
"dozens more injured " (how many?)
"Emma Teagles, whose husband Marc died in a motorbike crash there in 2003" rather than the wife of one of the victims
"It is time the slaughter stopped." suggesting it is malicious and deliberate killings
Yes, the article is full of loaded, emotive and prejudiced language - obviously the Rugby Times aren't too pleased that the road safety guy isn't directly backing the campaign that they have thrown their support behind. They are not exactly impartial.
I personally find it encouraging that there is at least an admission [from Fossey] that there are other causes than just speed, and this from someone in a position of influence.
I personally find it encouraging that there is at least an admission [from Fossey] that there are other causes than just speed, and this from someone in a position of influence.
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