British adults 'fear youngsters'
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Could this be because of:
A) Fear of retaliation at the time?
B) Fear of retaliation later (perhaps in greater numbers)?
C) Lately acquired belief that the BiB will do nothing?
D) Lately acquired belief that the courts will do little or nothing?
E) Fear that the youth will claim assault and 'you' will get banged up?
F) All of the above?
Streaky
Could this be because of:
A) Fear of retaliation at the time?
B) Fear of retaliation later (perhaps in greater numbers)?
C) Lately acquired belief that the BiB will do nothing?
D) Lately acquired belief that the courts will do little or nothing?
E) Fear that the youth will claim assault and 'you' will get banged up?
F) All of the above?
Streaky
The only "fear" I have is that I will end up clobbering one of the little bastards and getting hauled off myself. The problem is that they *KNOW* there is absolutely nothing that you can do to them so they have no fear of consequence for their action. They can get away with pretty much anything they like.
The last time I confronted a particularly obnixious, mouthy little shite, the first words out of his mouth were, "What you gonna do... touch me... go on then."
The last time I confronted a particularly obnixious, mouthy little shite, the first words out of his mouth were, "What you gonna do... touch me... go on then."
mefoster said:
The only "fear" I have is that I will end up clobbering one of the little bastards and getting hauled off myself. The problem is that they *KNOW* there is absolutely nothing that you can do to them so they have no fear of consequence for their action. They can get away with pretty much anything they like.
The last time I confronted a particularly obnixious, mouthy little shite, the first words out of his mouth were, "What you gonna do... touch me... go on then."
Wear a burqa (ideally with the net over the eye-slit). Then deal with them appropriately. Even if you are arrested, any ID parade will come to naught. You may also get compensation for "distress" - StreakyThe last time I confronted a particularly obnixious, mouthy little shite, the first words out of his mouth were, "What you gonna do... touch me... go on then."
There’s a lot of truth in the reason given; that adults and teenagers don’t mix in the UK.
Both my daughters did exchange visits with German girls when they were 15. One went to a medium size village (much like the one we live in) and the other to a suburb of a city. In both cases there where social club type places where all ages in the area used to gather and mix together.
In the UK, I can’t think of anywhere like that – certainly in our village there really isn’t anywhere the kids can go, so they congregate on street corners.
It’s noticeable (and, of course causes complaints) that foreign kids on visits to Chester tend to gather in the Town Hall square and ‘they’re noisy’ – but again, where can 15 year olds go?
Both my daughters did exchange visits with German girls when they were 15. One went to a medium size village (much like the one we live in) and the other to a suburb of a city. In both cases there where social club type places where all ages in the area used to gather and mix together.
In the UK, I can’t think of anywhere like that – certainly in our village there really isn’t anywhere the kids can go, so they congregate on street corners.
It’s noticeable (and, of course causes complaints) that foreign kids on visits to Chester tend to gather in the Town Hall square and ‘they’re noisy’ – but again, where can 15 year olds go?
C-F.
There was once out in the park 3-4 young(ish) lads who shouted at my other half "show us your t**ts.. They were about 300 yards away. By the time I got to them, I was pretty steamed, and I had raced to get to them as well. When I started on them, they were quaking in their boots, two of them visibly shaking. They began telling me it was nothing to do with us (we were the only other people in the park)...I did advise them that I would hospitalise them if I heard anything like that again from them.. They all sheepishly went away.
Now, that was a couple of years ago, and when I returned to my better half, she said that it was a stupid thing to do, as they could have knifed me, or called the cops. At the time I had the rest mist, and was deciding which of them I would hit first to make sure of it.. But in retrospect, I suspect I was lucky not to get stabbed or arrested most likely.
Much the same as the young lad who just missed hitting a dog with his bike (he raced as close as he could to it, and then pedalled away whilst the dog cr**ed itself).. By the time I got to him he was also highly apologetic and promised not to do anything like that again.
Makes me wonder if anyone has ever told them they can't do what they want, there are rules and boundaries. I suspect not. Simply put, from school on they are it seems "untouchable"... And some of them seem to know it. Personally, I have no qualms about beating seven shades outta some kid who tries to run down a dog etc..
There was once out in the park 3-4 young(ish) lads who shouted at my other half "show us your t**ts.. They were about 300 yards away. By the time I got to them, I was pretty steamed, and I had raced to get to them as well. When I started on them, they were quaking in their boots, two of them visibly shaking. They began telling me it was nothing to do with us (we were the only other people in the park)...I did advise them that I would hospitalise them if I heard anything like that again from them.. They all sheepishly went away.
Now, that was a couple of years ago, and when I returned to my better half, she said that it was a stupid thing to do, as they could have knifed me, or called the cops. At the time I had the rest mist, and was deciding which of them I would hit first to make sure of it.. But in retrospect, I suspect I was lucky not to get stabbed or arrested most likely.
Much the same as the young lad who just missed hitting a dog with his bike (he raced as close as he could to it, and then pedalled away whilst the dog cr**ed itself).. By the time I got to him he was also highly apologetic and promised not to do anything like that again.
Makes me wonder if anyone has ever told them they can't do what they want, there are rules and boundaries. I suspect not. Simply put, from school on they are it seems "untouchable"... And some of them seem to know it. Personally, I have no qualms about beating seven shades outta some kid who tries to run down a dog etc..
jasandjules said:
Makes me wonder if anyone has ever told them they can't do what they want, there are rules and boundaries. I suspect not.
I'm sure that's true - many have no concept of the distress and upset their actions cause (but are the first to complain when anything happens to their family).
At the times when antisocial acts are committed they mostly happen because of the collective bravery of a large number of chavs gathered together to pool their chavvery. One adult or a couple will naturally size up the numbers and realise the risk of intervening is too high, people have died as a result in some cases. With smaller numbers of yoof they're probably local-ish and will have cased the joint of most adults walking by, and know what car they drive and where they park it, where they keep their cycles / mopeds / power tools / etc and what their movement habits are, and may have tried or even succeeded once or twice in acts of theft from yards or outbuildings. They mostly do 'know where you live' and will be prepared to use middle of the night tactics to gain revenge for anything an adult says or tries to do, revenge that will be costly to fix and no doubt unpleasant in the meanwhile.
The bottom line is that real chavs have nothing to lose, they are the zero generation with few possessions to speak of (bought legitimately anyway), no education worthy of the name, no prospects, no interests beyond causing trouble, no good name (long gone) and so they have nothing to lose. People in such a position have no internal restrictions working to limit their actions, they will do extreme things and take risks.
Respectable adults have a lot to lose and the Courts show they will take it away at the drop of a hat while letting scum have a million chances, or even paying for safaris and CDs and trainers for these poor wickle 'victims of society'.
Unless chavs know and see they have something to lose - a long time without freedom, or loss of painlessness - they will carry on and adults here will let them.
Makes me wonder if anyone has ever told them they can't do what they want, there are rules and boundaries. I suspect not.
This reminds me of a TV documentary on bouncers where the interviewer was in the back seat, driving round the local patch of a door supervisor, interviewing the driver as he went along, at one point the driver indiacted 'his' club and said something like - in there is where a lot of kids learn something, at home mum says no but the kid carries on and not much happens, at school teacher says no but the kid carries on and not much happens, on the streets the old bill says no but they carry on and not much happens, in my club I saya no, the kid carries on and I deck him. First time the kid ever realised no means no.
The bottom line is that real chavs have nothing to lose, they are the zero generation with few possessions to speak of (bought legitimately anyway), no education worthy of the name, no prospects, no interests beyond causing trouble, no good name (long gone) and so they have nothing to lose. People in such a position have no internal restrictions working to limit their actions, they will do extreme things and take risks.
Respectable adults have a lot to lose and the Courts show they will take it away at the drop of a hat while letting scum have a million chances, or even paying for safaris and CDs and trainers for these poor wickle 'victims of society'.
Unless chavs know and see they have something to lose - a long time without freedom, or loss of painlessness - they will carry on and adults here will let them.
jasandjules said:
Makes me wonder if anyone has ever told them they can't do what they want, there are rules and boundaries. I suspect not.
This reminds me of a TV documentary on bouncers where the interviewer was in the back seat, driving round the local patch of a door supervisor, interviewing the driver as he went along, at one point the driver indiacted 'his' club and said something like - in there is where a lot of kids learn something, at home mum says no but the kid carries on and not much happens, at school teacher says no but the kid carries on and not much happens, on the streets the old bill says no but they carry on and not much happens, in my club I saya no, the kid carries on and I deck him. First time the kid ever realised no means no.
turbobloke said:
This reminds me of a TV documentary on bouncers where the interviewer was in the back seat, driving round the local patch of a door supervisor, interviewing the driver as he went along, at one point the driver indiacted 'his' club and said something like - in there is where a lot of kids learn something, at home mum says no but the kid carries on and not much happens, at school teacher says no but the kid carries on and not much happens, on the streets the old bill says no but they carry on and not much happens, in my club I saya no, the kid carries on and I deck him. First time the kid ever realised no means no.
But sadly he has little to lose in doing it, if you or I did that we would be in deep poo. That's what we get for allowing PC liberalism to get out of controlKinky said:
Unfortunately.
But that's all you read about in the press - so although it's probably only a handful of cases - it's all people hear about!
K
No it bl**dy well is not !
*Any* teacher or care worker will tell you that that attitude is endemic in the "Police Service".
It's probably nothing to do with the working BiB, but the rest of it is shot through with it. I know people personally and umpteen more who have been victimised by this idiocy.
Fundamentally it is the problem that the system will believe anything done to current or former children to be an absolute fact, more or less irrespective of anything. Evidence is ignored or hidden, or indirectly fabricated (say, for example, Police taking complainants to see compensation solicitors before charges have been brought).
This leads to insanities like the Mitchelhill case, where the supposed victim, having refused to make a complaint in the ten interviews with the Police, stood as a *defence witness*. Or insane stories from people on the PNC with a long history of fabrication about satanic orgies, for that matter.
FFS, how bl**dy desperate can you get ?
deva link said:
jasandjules said:
Makes me wonder if anyone has ever told them they can't do what they want, there are rules and boundaries. I suspect not.
I'm sure that's true - many have no concept of the distress and upset their actions cause (but are the first to complain when anything happens to their family).
In 99% of cases they know exactly what they are doing. They get an ego boost from making people suffering.
You can tell them there are rules and boundaries till you are blue in the face. If those are not enforceable, then they are useless.
Can you imagine how enforceable the laws on burglary would be if the Police couldn't actually arrest anyone ?
autismuk said:
Can you imagine how enforceable the laws on burglary would be if the Police couldn't actually arrest anyone ?
We don't have to imagine it. IME the police don't worry too much about minor offences such as burglary...
It won't be long before people start reversing the score, a couple of adults will track the scrotes to their houses, and at a time when they are alone, will beat seven shades outta them. Repeat as necessary to complete the entire gang.
I blame it on the women's lib. movement and too many mothers going out to work, instead of being at home bringing their children up decently, and the teaching profession, plus those we often refer to as 'do-gooders' (when actually they're doing nothing of the kind) and various governments during the past 40 years. HTH.
No doubt there are other factors but that'll have to do for now, as I've already missed my afternoon nap, so I expect I'm going to have to sleep through that caper in Brazil.
See you later, do take care.
Best wishes all,
Dave - reactionary old buffer.
No doubt there are other factors but that'll have to do for now, as I've already missed my afternoon nap, so I expect I'm going to have to sleep through that caper in Brazil.
See you later, do take care.
Best wishes all,
Dave - reactionary old buffer.
jasandjules said:
autismuk said:
Can you imagine how enforceable the laws on burglary would be if the Police couldn't actually arrest anyone ?
We don't have to imagine it. IME the police don't worry too much about minor offences such as burglary...
It won't be long before people start reversing the score, a couple of adults will track the scrotes to their houses, and at a time when they are alone, will beat seven shades outta them. Repeat as necessary to complete the entire gang.
Well, I was originally going to write " .... if the Police couldn't get anyone convicted and jailed".
But they can't
AquilaEagle said:
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Nanny state has created this
Nanny state has created this
Sadly true. Too much carping on about 'human rights', without considering 'society's rights'. An individual SHOULD have rights when confronted by other individuals or by the establishment (Especially by the establishment). However, what is missing is that certain actions reduce or completely abrogate one's entitlement to those rights.
Extend that to a 'think of the children' attitude and we get where we are...a minority of underclass kids 'ruling' their patch until someone with even less to lose takes it away from them.
Yup.
I'm afraid a friend is a Nanny, who was told recently that she cannot, when the mother comes home, advise that the child has been bad today. Can't remember what the phrase she should use is, but it was PC bollox.
Then teachers who have no authority and no power, which the kids know. Power is only control when there is an element of fear (just human nature, carrot only works for some, stick works for more) of some punishment. This has been taken away from the teachers. So the scrotes go around thinking they are untouchable. This is a pretty large factor in the way some children are running riot (even jumping on police cars), the simple fact is they know they won't be punished, and in fact are more likely to be rewarded with a PS2 or something. Punish those who are bad, reward those who are good. Not hard, is it? Works with dogs, and it works with people too IMHO.
I'm afraid a friend is a Nanny, who was told recently that she cannot, when the mother comes home, advise that the child has been bad today. Can't remember what the phrase she should use is, but it was PC bollox.
Then teachers who have no authority and no power, which the kids know. Power is only control when there is an element of fear (just human nature, carrot only works for some, stick works for more) of some punishment. This has been taken away from the teachers. So the scrotes go around thinking they are untouchable. This is a pretty large factor in the way some children are running riot (even jumping on police cars), the simple fact is they know they won't be punished, and in fact are more likely to be rewarded with a PS2 or something. Punish those who are bad, reward those who are good. Not hard, is it? Works with dogs, and it works with people too IMHO.
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