Worst Police Force in the country?
Discussion
I saw on Sky News this morning that the results of the annual survey of police performance reveals:
Worst in country are Humberside and Northamptonshire. (Closely followed by Notts).
No change there, then. All were in the bottom 4 last year.
You'd think they'd be bothered, wouldn't you? Then again, who are they answerable to?
The scamera vans and Police Trafpols are happily sitting around catching the murderous motorists, at 31mph in 30 limits.
Murders, burglaries, muggings.....? Poor detection, poor conviction rate, poor customer service... JUST POOR
(So the survey says).
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0
Worst in country are Humberside and Northamptonshire. (Closely followed by Notts).
No change there, then. All were in the bottom 4 last year.
You'd think they'd be bothered, wouldn't you? Then again, who are they answerable to?
The scamera vans and Police Trafpols are happily sitting around catching the murderous motorists, at 31mph in 30 limits.
Murders, burglaries, muggings.....? Poor detection, poor conviction rate, poor customer service... JUST POOR
(So the survey says).
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0
imbecile said:
Just how fair are these rankings? All three of those forces have pretty dodgy areas, especially Humberside and Notts... And on my gap year, part of which I spent in Northampton, there was an attempt shooting with arson outside my house one afternoon.
I think most forces will have fairly dodgy areas to cope with.
sean5302 said:
The scamera vans and Police Trafpols are happily sitting around catching the murderous motorists, at 31mph in 30 limits.
Murders, burglaries, muggings.....? Poor detection, poor conviction rate, poor customer service... JUST POOR
(So the survey says).
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0
Can you give us a precise quote. I can't find what you've written above, in the article.
This might be a better link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6079944
In fairness, I had experience of Humberside Police, recently. I posted my experience following receipt of a, later quashed" cofp for crossing a double white line. You helped me in that thread.
There's also something perverse about that paragon of excellence The Home Office reporting performance results. Now how many murderers and rapists did they erroneously release rather than extraditing?
And you'd think the police would get some credit for the tireless hours I see them sitting in their cars, hoping for a passing speeder. Can't be an easy job, can it? Not like actually catching burglars or murders. That just involves phoning you with a crime number, for your insurance, doesn't it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6079944
In fairness, I had experience of Humberside Police, recently. I posted my experience following receipt of a, later quashed" cofp for crossing a double white line. You helped me in that thread.
There's also something perverse about that paragon of excellence The Home Office reporting performance results. Now how many murderers and rapists did they erroneously release rather than extraditing?
And you'd think the police would get some credit for the tireless hours I see them sitting in their cars, hoping for a passing speeder. Can't be an easy job, can it? Not like actually catching burglars or murders. That just involves phoning you with a crime number, for your insurance, doesn't it?
sean5302 said:
This might be a better link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6079944
In fairness, I had experience of Humberside Police, recently. I posted my experience following receipt of a, later quashed" cofp for crossing a double white line. You helped me in that thread.
There's also something perverse about that paragon of excellence The Home Office reporting performance results. Now how many murderers and rapists did they erroneously release rather than extraditing?
And you'd think the police would get some credit for the tireless hours I see them sitting in their cars, hoping for a passing speeder. Can't be an easy job, can it? Not like actually catching burglars or murders. That just involves phoning you with a crime number, for your insurance, doesn't it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6079944
In fairness, I had experience of Humberside Police, recently. I posted my experience following receipt of a, later quashed" cofp for crossing a double white line. You helped me in that thread.
There's also something perverse about that paragon of excellence The Home Office reporting performance results. Now how many murderers and rapists did they erroneously release rather than extraditing?
And you'd think the police would get some credit for the tireless hours I see them sitting in their cars, hoping for a passing speeder. Can't be an easy job, can it? Not like actually catching burglars or murders. That just involves phoning you with a crime number, for your insurance, doesn't it?
And thats all we do is it.
Ill bear that in mind next time i go on blues and 2's to a burglary, assault, theft. Or when i am suddenly thinking "is it worth it" when i am being rammed by a fleeing vehicle and having gallons of unleaded pouring over my bonnet.
If you look at page 35 of the report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi
you will see that Humberside Police had a 2005/06 budget of £156.9 million. Their performance score was 5 Fair and 2 poor. An abysmal performance, by any measure.
If that were a private company, offering such dreadful results, how long do you think they'd remain viable?
I'm sure that there are excellent officers, but their deployment cannot be right. Just look at the results.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi
you will see that Humberside Police had a 2005/06 budget of £156.9 million. Their performance score was 5 Fair and 2 poor. An abysmal performance, by any measure.
If that were a private company, offering such dreadful results, how long do you think they'd remain viable?
I'm sure that there are excellent officers, but their deployment cannot be right. Just look at the results.
All well and good but you are reading facts and figures for the whole force.
For example.
In a typical station you could have 5 shifts.
From experiance each of those 5 shifts will have 6 - 10 officers.
We have departments which are staffed with uniformed officers, which dont seem to do alot.
There are literally hundreds of officers who are desk bound or light duties.
On some shifts we will have 2 double crewed cars working at any one time.
Then theres clearing the backlog of paperwork / jobs carried over from the previous shift that we have taken over from.
Then theres dealing with the low level jobs.
Then theres trying to progress your own jobs.
Then there responding to jobs.
Then there is trying to do proactive work, disrupting people, high visability work. Stopping cars etc.
Thats even if we get car keys as we only have 4 marked cars avaliable.
Core reactive, the dumping ground of policing.
For example.
In a typical station you could have 5 shifts.
From experiance each of those 5 shifts will have 6 - 10 officers.
We have departments which are staffed with uniformed officers, which dont seem to do alot.
There are literally hundreds of officers who are desk bound or light duties.
On some shifts we will have 2 double crewed cars working at any one time.
Then theres clearing the backlog of paperwork / jobs carried over from the previous shift that we have taken over from.
Then theres dealing with the low level jobs.
Then theres trying to progress your own jobs.
Then there responding to jobs.
Then there is trying to do proactive work, disrupting people, high visability work. Stopping cars etc.
Thats even if we get car keys as we only have 4 marked cars avaliable.
Core reactive, the dumping ground of policing.
^Slider^ said:
All well and good but you are reading facts and figures for the whole force.
For example.
In a typical station you could have 5 shifts.
From experiance each of those 5 shifts will have 6 - 10 officers.
We have departments which are staffed with uniformed officers, which dont seem to do alot.
There are literally hundreds of officers who are desk bound or light duties.
On some shifts we will have 2 double crewed cars working at any one time.
Then theres clearing the backlog of paperwork / jobs carried over from the previous shift that we have taken over from.
Then theres dealing with the low level jobs.
Then theres trying to progress your own jobs.
Then there responding to jobs.
Then there is trying to do proactive work, disrupting people, high visability work. Stopping cars etc.
Thats even if we get car keys as we only have 4 marked cars avaliable.
Core reactive, the dumping ground of policing.
For example.
In a typical station you could have 5 shifts.
From experiance each of those 5 shifts will have 6 - 10 officers.
We have departments which are staffed with uniformed officers, which dont seem to do alot.
There are literally hundreds of officers who are desk bound or light duties.
On some shifts we will have 2 double crewed cars working at any one time.
Then theres clearing the backlog of paperwork / jobs carried over from the previous shift that we have taken over from.
Then theres dealing with the low level jobs.
Then theres trying to progress your own jobs.
Then there responding to jobs.
Then there is trying to do proactive work, disrupting people, high visability work. Stopping cars etc.
Thats even if we get car keys as we only have 4 marked cars avaliable.
Core reactive, the dumping ground of policing.
But surely all the other forces have these issues too,yet get higher "scores".
I do not work for the force in question.
These are issues for every force out there and some cope better than others.
Its about how the stats are presented And i dont think that the stats are a true refelction of policing and the service you recieve.
My gripe was with the post about sitting in cars catching speeders is the reason why we dont do better in other areas such as burglary etc.
Alot of officers i have no doubt work bloody hard in the forces who have gotten themselves in the lower end of the table, same as i do.
And alot of officers considering the pay issue at the moment still do their best. Its hardly surprising why some forces are the way they are considering we have no overtime.
For example, Job comes in 30 mins before booking off, we cannot attend as we will go over our off duty time. Next shift isnt even on duty. Some of us go off anyway knowing we will not get paid but get hauled back as even if we dont claim it, there is always the chance we will and it will have to be paid.
I just think this is another excuse for giving the front line officers yet another kicking.
These are issues for every force out there and some cope better than others.
Its about how the stats are presented And i dont think that the stats are a true refelction of policing and the service you recieve.
My gripe was with the post about sitting in cars catching speeders is the reason why we dont do better in other areas such as burglary etc.
Alot of officers i have no doubt work bloody hard in the forces who have gotten themselves in the lower end of the table, same as i do.
And alot of officers considering the pay issue at the moment still do their best. Its hardly surprising why some forces are the way they are considering we have no overtime.
For example, Job comes in 30 mins before booking off, we cannot attend as we will go over our off duty time. Next shift isnt even on duty. Some of us go off anyway knowing we will not get paid but get hauled back as even if we dont claim it, there is always the chance we will and it will have to be paid.
I just think this is another excuse for giving the front line officers yet another kicking.
For some reason I can't copy and paste bits of the pdf.
I reckon it's grim reading:
Local policing POOR
Providing assistance POOR
Reducing crime FAIR
Resource use FAIR
Citizen focus FAIR
Promoting safety FAIR
Investigating crime FAIR.
Not a good result anywhere. So, just how do they get away with this sort of performance, please?
I reckon it's grim reading:
Local policing POOR
Providing assistance POOR
Reducing crime FAIR
Resource use FAIR
Citizen focus FAIR
Promoting safety FAIR
Investigating crime FAIR.
Not a good result anywhere. So, just how do they get away with this sort of performance, please?
Right, Scanned through it ta.
So, they are basing the ratings on the percentage increase for england and wales and their subsiquent related performance.
But does that factor in local increases?
Eg,
say 10% increase in theft of MV in england and wales.
Locally there was a 15%
neighbouring force had a 5% increase
This would be poor performance for the 15% and improved performance in the neighbouring force.
I think that a number of factors have been over looked such as officer numbers, officer retention, population per officer etc
Force a could have had an increase in population but no increase on officers hence increase in offences.
Force b could have an increase in population and an increase in officers hence reduction or no change for offences.
Swings and roundabouts. I dont think the stats show accurately enough the state of policing. And think that this is just another beating stick at front line staff.
The only thing it serves is to rejig the way resources are used, which will only detrement other areas.
How can they get away with this kind of performance you asked in another post,
Should the question not be how can they improve on this kind of performance?
There is only so much you can do with a limited number of resources and money.
So, they are basing the ratings on the percentage increase for england and wales and their subsiquent related performance.
But does that factor in local increases?
Eg,
say 10% increase in theft of MV in england and wales.
Locally there was a 15%
neighbouring force had a 5% increase
This would be poor performance for the 15% and improved performance in the neighbouring force.
I think that a number of factors have been over looked such as officer numbers, officer retention, population per officer etc
Force a could have had an increase in population but no increase on officers hence increase in offences.
Force b could have an increase in population and an increase in officers hence reduction or no change for offences.
Swings and roundabouts. I dont think the stats show accurately enough the state of policing. And think that this is just another beating stick at front line staff.
The only thing it serves is to rejig the way resources are used, which will only detrement other areas.
How can they get away with this kind of performance you asked in another post,
Should the question not be how can they improve on this kind of performance?
There is only so much you can do with a limited number of resources and money.
esselte said:
^Slider^ said:
I just think this is another excuse for giving the front line officers yet another kicking.
I for one, am not criticising the chaps at the pointy end.Like most other folk they have to go and do as they are bid.It's the ones higher up that need a shellacking in my view.
Agreed, But in reality do you think its the ranked officers who are going to take the flack for this??? Nope it will be the PC's who will be bollocked over the performance.
^Slider^ said:
Right, Scanned through it ta.
So, they are basing the ratings on the percentage increase for england and wales and their subsiquent related performance.
But does that factor in local increases?
Eg,
say 10% increase in theft of MV in england and wales.
Locally there was a 15%
neighbouring force had a 5% increase
This would be poor performance for the 15% and improved performance in the neighbouring force.
I think that a number of factors have been over looked such as officer numbers, officer retention, population per officer etc
Force a could have had an increase in population but no increase on officers hence increase in offences.
Force b could have an increase in population and an increase in officers hence reduction or no change for offences.
Swings and roundabouts. I dont think the stats show accurately enough the state of policing. And think that this is just another beating stick at front line staff.
The only thing it serves is to rejig the way resources are used, which will only detrement other areas.
How can they get away with this kind of performance you asked in another post,
Should the question not be how can they improve on this kind of performance?
There is only so much you can do with a limited number of resources and money.
So, they are basing the ratings on the percentage increase for england and wales and their subsiquent related performance.
But does that factor in local increases?
Eg,
say 10% increase in theft of MV in england and wales.
Locally there was a 15%
neighbouring force had a 5% increase
This would be poor performance for the 15% and improved performance in the neighbouring force.
I think that a number of factors have been over looked such as officer numbers, officer retention, population per officer etc
Force a could have had an increase in population but no increase on officers hence increase in offences.
Force b could have an increase in population and an increase in officers hence reduction or no change for offences.
Swings and roundabouts. I dont think the stats show accurately enough the state of policing. And think that this is just another beating stick at front line staff.
The only thing it serves is to rejig the way resources are used, which will only detrement other areas.
How can they get away with this kind of performance you asked in another post,
Should the question not be how can they improve on this kind of performance?
There is only so much you can do with a limited number of resources and money.
Then again force A could install a lovely swish £28000 shower for the CC instaed of spending it on overtime etc.As I said I think it's the "higherups" that should be held to account,not the front liners.
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