"We will contact the DVLA for your details"
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This is the sign that meets me now when I pull up to the car park at my local supermarket, that has just been camera controlled. After 3 hrs they are apparently allowed to contact the DVLA to fine you £75.
Doesn't it give you a lovely warm feeling inside knowing that they are simply allowed to do this. Good old DVLA, very secure aren't they.
I bet this system is ripe for abuse!!
Doesn't it give you a lovely warm feeling inside knowing that they are simply allowed to do this. Good old DVLA, very secure aren't they.
I bet this system is ripe for abuse!!
I wouldn't blame the supermarkets. They're just pursuing their commercial interests.
Nor would I blame the clampers and towing companies. They're simple criminal scum, doing what criminal scum do.
The fault has to lie exclusively with the DVLA.
They are the ones entrusted with details; they are the ones whose only responsibility - in theory - is to the public interest.
They work "for" taxpayers and citizens.
Whenever the data are abused, it must be the DVLA's fault for handing out personal information without justification.
It's quite straightforward.
If there is a legitimate public interest in having cars towed from private land, then the commercial operator can inform the DVLA of a violation and the DVLA can make contact with the RK. The DVLA can charge a fee for the minimal amount of its time necessary to print a form letter and post it to the RK.
There is not the slightest need for the commercial operator/criminal to have access to personal details.
Nor would I blame the clampers and towing companies. They're simple criminal scum, doing what criminal scum do.
The fault has to lie exclusively with the DVLA.
They are the ones entrusted with details; they are the ones whose only responsibility - in theory - is to the public interest.
They work "for" taxpayers and citizens.
Whenever the data are abused, it must be the DVLA's fault for handing out personal information without justification.
It's quite straightforward.
If there is a legitimate public interest in having cars towed from private land, then the commercial operator can inform the DVLA of a violation and the DVLA can make contact with the RK. The DVLA can charge a fee for the minimal amount of its time necessary to print a form letter and post it to the RK.
There is not the slightest need for the commercial operator/criminal to have access to personal details.
You cannot just be clamped. Any clamper (i.e. the individual themselves not the firm) must be licensed by the SIA. If you should ever get a whiff that the clamper is not licensed (thier SIA ID badge should be visible) then call the Police. Any BiB worth their salt would arrest the opertor. Supermarkets are unlikely to employ such operators unless they happen to inner city and/or near a railway station and thus suffer from p1ss takers who just use the car park.
Problem for them (lessco's) is that the dvla details don't provide details of the driver at the time and the cctv doesn't know who the driver is even if a card purchase has been made at the till. See how much data they are aqquiring!! There is no obligation for you to disclose driver details to them so they're stuffed imo.
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funkyrobot said:
This is the sign that meets me now when I pull up to the car park at my local supermarket, that has just been camera controlled. After 3 hrs they are apparently allowed to contact the DVLA to fine you £75.
If it takes you more than 3 hours to do your shopping at the supermarket, you've got serious problem.
lambochick said:
funkyrobot said:
This is the sign that meets me now when I pull up to the car park at my local supermarket, that has just been camera controlled. After 3 hrs they are apparently allowed to contact the DVLA to fine you £75.
If it takes you more than 3 hours to do your shopping at the supermarket, you've got serious problem.
He he, he's got an irritating itch, so should string them out for the sake of it. This is just the plod getting everybody linked to anpr and lestcos are keen to oblige so long as they can dish out a few fines to deter long stayers. I appreciate the need to stop tossers parking there all day but what's wrong with a bloke and a clipboard. This is just data aquisiation (oops) that's being abused by dvla and their 'partners', the new trendy keyword in town!
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boosted Ls1 said:
lambochick said:
funkyrobot said:
This is the sign that meets me now when I pull up to the car park at my local supermarket, that has just been camera controlled. After 3 hrs they are apparently allowed to contact the DVLA to fine you £75.
If it takes you more than 3 hours to do your shopping at the supermarket, you've got serious problem.
He he, he's got an irritating itch, so should string them out for the sake of it. This is just the plod getting everybody linked to anpr and lestcos are keen to oblige so long as they can dish out a few fines to deter long stayers. I appreciate the need to stop tossers parking there all day but what's wrong with a bloke and a clipboard. This is just data aquisiation (oops) that's being abused by dvla and their 'partners', the new trendy keyword in town!
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Interesting comment about plod. I take it you can quote a source document that states the police do this? If not could you retract it please.
I have been a plod for 14 years and I am unaware of any deal between ACPO ACPO(S) and supermarkets generating fines in order to load the anpr data base with vrm. Please assist and tell me where you saw this document?
Thanks GB.
xxplod said:
You cannot just be clamped. Any clamper (i.e. the individual themselves not the firm) must be licensed by the SIA. If you should ever get a whiff that the clamper is not licensed (thier SIA ID badge should be visible) then call the Police. Any BiB worth their salt would arrest the opertor. Supermarkets are unlikely to employ such operators unless they happen to inner city and/or near a railway station and thus suffer from p1ss takers who just use the car park.
Here in PH there have been many stories of clampers and tow-away artists whose behaviour has been anywhere between offensive and outrageous. No doubt these anecdotes are the tip of the iceberg.
The people in that business somehow do not seem to be uniformly the most honourable and upstanding members of society.
We see, sadly, examples all the time of bad people who slip through one or the other of our know-it-all Government's many makeshift nets, most of which have been sold to it in a bill of goods by some consulting firm populated by ex-government employees.
The likelihood that it is impossible for a villain to gain access to RKs' details via exploitation of the DVLA's open-access policy is about the same as the likelihood that there will be snowballs in a very warm place.
The consequences of scumbags manipulating the system are generally less serious when it comes to cars than in some of the other deplorable things that they do.
Nevertheless, the fact that it is completely unnecessary to share RKs' details with anyone except the police and intelligence services leads one to the conclusion that the DVLA has no excuse for doing so. Except that they do it anyhow.
funkyrobot said:
This is the sign that meets me now when I pull up to the car park at my local supermarket, that has just been camera controlled. After 3 hrs they are apparently allowed to contact the DVLA to fine you £75.
I read the one in the local supermarket (operated by a european sounding company...). It says parking limited to two hours, if you stay beyond that limit you will be issued with a "£75 penalty". It doesn't, however, say that you are agreeing to pay them that amount, or what a "£75 penalty" actually is. The principle is thta you are entering into a contract, and this sign by another car park is worded properly:
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Gareth
Edited by g_attrill on Tuesday 7th November 23:42
boosted Ls1 said:
Problem for them (lessco's) is that the dvla details don't provide details of the driver at the time and the cctv doesn't know who the driver is even if a card purchase has been made at the till. See how much data they are aqquiring!! There is no obligation for you to disclose driver details to them so they're stuffed imo.
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which is why the parking offences are generally against the registered keeper these days -- certainly the council enforced ones around here are.
7db said:
boosted Ls1 said:
Problem for them (lessco's) is that the dvla details don't provide details of the driver at the time and the cctv doesn't know who the driver is even if a card purchase has been made at the till. See how much data they are aqquiring!! There is no obligation for you to disclose driver details to them so they're stuffed imo.
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which is why the parking offences are generally against the registered keeper these days -- certainly the council enforced ones around here are.
But, Shirley, the registered keeper hasn't necessarily done anything wrnog, and in most cases could easily reply that they've "never parked in so and so's car park...please send the fine to the driver - who I cannot identify"?
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