Handy in Hand .. Handycuffs to Jail..
Discussion
The Grauniad lead on this tomorrow.
I think the same should apply to cyclists
(I had cyclist wobbling all over the place in front of me this morning. I thought it was because of high wind. He was gabbing on handy 
)
Und tougher penalty should apply to dangerous loonies in lycra...
Tuning a car radio? Ist case of pushing a pre-set button just like switching on my wipers or headlamps
That might be a bit difficult to prove or see. Perhaps 
why they want spy in car..
Emerging from side road into path or another? Depend on level of SMIDSY und it should also apply to cyclists barging out without looking und perhaps also pedestrians who fail to look should also be jailed for not looking. (Hang on.. they f-f-fine for that as well back home..
I think the same should apply to cyclists
(I had cyclist wobbling all over the place in front of me this morning. I thought it was because of high wind. He was gabbing on handy ) Und tougher penalty should apply to dangerous loonies in lycra...
Tuning a car radio? Ist case of pushing a pre-set button just like switching on my wipers or headlamps
That might be a bit difficult to prove or see. Perhaps why they want spy in car.. Emerging from side road into path or another? Depend on level of SMIDSY und it should also apply to cyclists barging out without looking und perhaps also pedestrians who fail to look should also be jailed for not looking. (Hang on.. they f-f-fine for that as well back home..
Grauniad for tomorrow said:
Motorists risk jail for using phones in car
Stiffer sentences proposed for jumping lights, tailgating and causing death
Clare Dyer, legal editor
Thursday December 14, 2006
The Guardian
Motorists who use mobile phones and tailgate other cars could be jailed under a tough new package of measures unveiled yesterday, aimed at stamping out bad habits. Drivers who kill on the roads are also more likely to face charges of manslaughter, instead of the lesser charge of death by dangerous driving, as part of plans by the Crown Prosecution Service.
Behaviour for which drivers could be jailed for dangerous driving, rather than careless driving, include using a hand-held mobile on the move, tailgating, tuning a car radio, overtaking on the inside, running a red light, or emerging from a side road into the path of another vehicle
The Director of Public Prosecutions, Ken Macdonald, said he believed public attitudes to bad driving had changed dramatically in recent years, and the CPS policy of prosecuting motorists might need to be modified as a result.
The proposals have been drawn up in the light of growing public recognition of the serious effects of poor driving, and pressure by campaigning groups on the CPS to take motoring offences, particularly those causing death, more seriously.
A consultation paper asks for views on whether a range of bad habits behind the wheel that are currently prosecuted as careless driving should be moved into the dangerous driving category, depending on factors such as speed and road conditions.
The combination of a tougher prosecution policy and changes in the law coming into effect next year under the Road Safety Act 2006 means that many more motorists who misbehave on the roads could face a possible prison sentence.
The act will create a new offence of causing death through careless driving, carrying a maximum sentence of five years in prison.
Prosecutors will also be able for the first time to charge offenders with manslaughter, which carries a maximum life sentence, and with causing death by dangerous driving, as alternatives, leaving it to the jury to decide. At present there is a disincentive to charge a driver with manslaughter because the driver walks free if prosecutors fail to satisfy the jury that there was an obvious and serious risk of death. Other alternative charges will include causing death by dangerous driving and the new offence of causing death by careless driving.
Mr Macdonald said: "Public views have moved along in recent years and we want to make sure our policies reflect public views. The test is the person standing on the pavement watching: is it, 'That's a bit silly', or 'That's really dangerous'? Do people regard as dangerous driving that [which] they would not have regarded as dangerous five or 10 years ago?"
The document, which applies to England and Wales, also asks for views on the current policy of generally not prosecuting a motorist whose driving led to the death of a close relative, providing no other people were endangered and the driver is not a continuing risk to others.
It says: "We consider that, in light of changing public attitudes to bad driving and the introduction of a new offence of causing death by careless driving, this policy requires revision. While one cannot rule out absolutely exceptional cases where prosecution would be oppressive, in our view prosecution for these offences should be the normal course."
The personal circumstances of the driver - for example, where the victim was the driver's child - would be an argument for mitigating the punishment, rather than a reason to avoid prosecution, it suggests.
It also asks for feedback on where the boundary should be between dangerous and careless driving in cases of a single misjudgment, or a momentary lapse in concentration.
Stiffer sentences proposed for jumping lights, tailgating and causing death
Clare Dyer, legal editor
Thursday December 14, 2006
The Guardian
Motorists who use mobile phones and tailgate other cars could be jailed under a tough new package of measures unveiled yesterday, aimed at stamping out bad habits. Drivers who kill on the roads are also more likely to face charges of manslaughter, instead of the lesser charge of death by dangerous driving, as part of plans by the Crown Prosecution Service.
Behaviour for which drivers could be jailed for dangerous driving, rather than careless driving, include using a hand-held mobile on the move, tailgating, tuning a car radio, overtaking on the inside, running a red light, or emerging from a side road into the path of another vehicle
The Director of Public Prosecutions, Ken Macdonald, said he believed public attitudes to bad driving had changed dramatically in recent years, and the CPS policy of prosecuting motorists might need to be modified as a result.
The proposals have been drawn up in the light of growing public recognition of the serious effects of poor driving, and pressure by campaigning groups on the CPS to take motoring offences, particularly those causing death, more seriously.
A consultation paper asks for views on whether a range of bad habits behind the wheel that are currently prosecuted as careless driving should be moved into the dangerous driving category, depending on factors such as speed and road conditions.
The combination of a tougher prosecution policy and changes in the law coming into effect next year under the Road Safety Act 2006 means that many more motorists who misbehave on the roads could face a possible prison sentence.
The act will create a new offence of causing death through careless driving, carrying a maximum sentence of five years in prison.
Prosecutors will also be able for the first time to charge offenders with manslaughter, which carries a maximum life sentence, and with causing death by dangerous driving, as alternatives, leaving it to the jury to decide. At present there is a disincentive to charge a driver with manslaughter because the driver walks free if prosecutors fail to satisfy the jury that there was an obvious and serious risk of death. Other alternative charges will include causing death by dangerous driving and the new offence of causing death by careless driving.
Mr Macdonald said: "Public views have moved along in recent years and we want to make sure our policies reflect public views. The test is the person standing on the pavement watching: is it, 'That's a bit silly', or 'That's really dangerous'? Do people regard as dangerous driving that [which] they would not have regarded as dangerous five or 10 years ago?"
The document, which applies to England and Wales, also asks for views on the current policy of generally not prosecuting a motorist whose driving led to the death of a close relative, providing no other people were endangered and the driver is not a continuing risk to others.
It says: "We consider that, in light of changing public attitudes to bad driving and the introduction of a new offence of causing death by careless driving, this policy requires revision. While one cannot rule out absolutely exceptional cases where prosecution would be oppressive, in our view prosecution for these offences should be the normal course."
The personal circumstances of the driver - for example, where the victim was the driver's child - would be an argument for mitigating the punishment, rather than a reason to avoid prosecution, it suggests.
It also asks for feedback on where the boundary should be between dangerous and careless driving in cases of a single misjudgment, or a momentary lapse in concentration.
hairydave said:
quick tip for those confused at the title- the german for mobile phone is "handi", which, they aslo belive is our word.. i imagine this is something to do with some sandal wearing blithering idiot yabbering on about how handy they are when asked what it is....
But it make a catchy title ... We call it a Handy because we hold in our Handys und it ist of course "handy" to hand
! "Mobile" to me mean it's on wheels! But no matter. I play with words und mix them all up!
My husband say I am hell to understand at times 
aperbox: Also at www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=335826&f=10&h=0 (sorry Wildy my darling, I didn't connect your post title) - Streaky
WildCat said:
hairydave said:
quick tip for those confused at the title- the german for mobile phone is "handi", which, they aslo belive is our word.. i imagine this is something to do with some sandal wearing blithering idiot yabbering on about how handy they are when asked what it is....
But it make a catchy title ... We call it a Handy because we hold in our Handys und it ist of course "handy" to hand
! "Mobile" to me mean it's on wheels! But no matter. I play with words und mix them all up!
My husband say I am hell to understand at times aperbox:Handy, besten Denglisch!!!
Iyt's good to know that there will now be sufficicent spare capacity in out prisons to house these miscreants. Presumably the scroats who now get just a warning for theft or violence, or who get an ASBO, will also go to prison instead.
Maybe society thinks that using a mobile,not hands-free, whilst driving is a more serious offence than theft from a supermarket, drug possession, 'joy-riding' or breach of the peace, all of which now seem to end in a caution.
So, we'll have prisons full of drivers who have made a genuine error in their driving and scroats still just getting a caution for deliberate criminal acts.
Strange society we're creating.
Maybe society thinks that using a mobile,not hands-free, whilst driving is a more serious offence than theft from a supermarket, drug possession, 'joy-riding' or breach of the peace, all of which now seem to end in a caution.
So, we'll have prisons full of drivers who have made a genuine error in their driving and scroats still just getting a caution for deliberate criminal acts.
Strange society we're creating.
Dwight VanDriver said:
Soakay Vildey Kat
Nein offence mit der fingerpokenn und der nostril ven drivven und flicken der greenball avey........
Dvd
(Not extracting the urine WC just luuurve your posts....)
Ist dat der finger (vich gerpokenn) vot ist printed at der strasse-side? - StreakyNein offence mit der fingerpokenn und der nostril ven drivven und flicken der greenball avey........
Dvd
(Not extracting the urine WC just luuurve your posts....)
streaky said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Soakay Vildey Kat
Nein offence mit der fingerpokenn und der nostril ven drivven und flicken der greenball avey........
Dvd
(Not extracting the urine WC just luuurve your posts....)
Ist dat der finger (vich gerpokenn) vot ist printed at der strasse-side? - StreakyNein offence mit der fingerpokenn und der nostril ven drivven und flicken der greenball avey........
Dvd
(Not extracting the urine WC just luuurve your posts....)
They can jail you for the old Stinkfinger in Germany. That has been around for a while
Ja - I was trying to play with words again..
But all of that ist unworkable nonsense. ASSUMING this is accurate (it is the sandalista Grauniad), then you can be banged up for undertaking?!?
WTF? Given the massive increases in MLMs, OLMs, and generally people who have no consideration for other road users, this is RIDICULOUS!!!
WHO are these people who are trying to criminalise EVERY single act on the f'king roads?!?
WTF? Given the massive increases in MLMs, OLMs, and generally people who have no consideration for other road users, this is RIDICULOUS!!!
WHO are these people who are trying to criminalise EVERY single act on the f'king roads?!?
havoc said:
ASSUMING this is accurate (it is the sandalista Grauniad), then you can be banged up for undertaking?!?
WTF? Given the massive increases in MLMs, OLMs, and generally people who have no consideration for other road users, this is RIDICULOUS!!!
WHO are these people who are trying to criminalise EVERY single act on the f'king roads?!?
WTF? Given the massive increases in MLMs, OLMs, and generally people who have no consideration for other road users, this is RIDICULOUS!!!
WHO are these people who are trying to criminalise EVERY single act on the f'king roads?!?
Liebchen ... liebster streaky posted up "Telegraph" version which also back by Sexpress, Waily, BBC und even the old woman on Wright show was appalled by it all!
Ist riduculous und proposterous - nicht? Und totally unenforceable.
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