Door dinks Why?
Discussion
I'll keep this brief.
I was sitting in a large car park today waiting on Mrs GB who was at the shops. As I sat listening to the radio I saw other shoppers comming and going. In the 1 hour I sat there I saw 5 women throw open their car doors and hit the car next to them. I was still sitting there when 3 came back and they opened their fron and back doors again hitting the car next to them.
WHY?
I also saw guys park up and struggle out the same small space but all seemed to be aware of hitting the car next to them.
Whats going on ladies?
I was sitting in a large car park today waiting on Mrs GB who was at the shops. As I sat listening to the radio I saw other shoppers comming and going. In the 1 hour I sat there I saw 5 women throw open their car doors and hit the car next to them. I was still sitting there when 3 came back and they opened their fron and back doors again hitting the car next to them.
WHY?
I also saw guys park up and struggle out the same small space but all seemed to be aware of hitting the car next to them.
Whats going on ladies?
gently bentley said:
I'll keep this brief.
I was sitting in a large car park today waiting on Mrs GB who was at the shops. As I sat listening to the radio I saw other shoppers comming and going. In the 1 hour I sat there I saw 5 women throw open their car doors and hit the car next to them. I was still sitting there when 3 came back and they opened their fron and back doors again hitting the car next to them.
I was sitting in a large car park today waiting on Mrs GB who was at the shops. As I sat listening to the radio I saw other shoppers comming and going. In the 1 hour I sat there I saw 5 women throw open their car doors and hit the car next to them. I was still sitting there when 3 came back and they opened their fron and back doors again hitting the car next to them.
For the three who came back, they probably thought that the adjacent car's door was already dented, so it wouldn't matter if they hit it again.
For the first two, they anticipated that, upon their return, they would be hitting and denting the adjacent car's door. Ergo, if it was going to get dented then anyhow, what difference would an initial dent make?
Women are quite logical, you know.
gently bentley said:
I'll keep this brief.
I was sitting in a large car park today waiting on Mrs GB who was at the shops. As I sat listening to the radio I saw other shoppers comming and going. In the 1 hour I sat there I saw 5 women throw open their car doors and hit the car next to them. I was still sitting there when 3 came back and they opened their fron and back doors again hitting the car next to them.
WHY?
I also saw guys park up and struggle out the same small space but all seemed to be aware of hitting the car next to them.
Whats going on ladies?
I was sitting in a large car park today waiting on Mrs GB who was at the shops. As I sat listening to the radio I saw other shoppers comming and going. In the 1 hour I sat there I saw 5 women throw open their car doors and hit the car next to them. I was still sitting there when 3 came back and they opened their fron and back doors again hitting the car next to them.
WHY?
I also saw guys park up and struggle out the same small space but all seemed to be aware of hitting the car next to them.
Whats going on ladies?
White goods commodity. No love for it & few marks on it are par for the course. They don't affect it's functionality. (It's not just a ladies thing either.)
It just seemed all so pointless. It was amazing to watch. You could see they just were totally oblivious. I was staggered by the fact they did it again when they came back.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
gently bentley said:
It just seemed all so pointless. It was amazing to watch. You could see they just were totally oblivious. I was staggered by the fact they did it again when they came back.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
Not trying to stir things up here, my friend, but at what point does driving off after denting someone's valuable property become criminal damage?
Should a "Defective Constable" intercede, or are dings and scrapes considered to be venial slipped stitches in the rich tapestry of life?
Cheers.
I always pick a space as far away from the store/car park exit as I possibly can.
My assumption is that the people who are too lazy to open a door with any modicum of competence are also going to be too lazy to walk all the way up the stairs to the top level of the multistorey, and then all the way to the opposite side of the car park.
I can't get on with this, "It's a white good, what do you care about a few dents?" mentality. I bet the kind of people who make that excuse would be pretty pissed off if I parked my car in their kitchen and then smashed the door into their Smeg refrigerator.
My car might only be worth, what, £1500 maybe? But it's still annoying to have someone damage it through not caring about what is, after all, someone else's property that they've worked hard to pay for.
Of course, having an older car does grant some immunity to this sort of thing; my old Orion had an interestingly concave door panel and several severe parking scars when I bought it. That got parked in all manner of supermarket, multi-storey and student car parks, and in two years I don't think it ever picked up more than a couple of miniscule door dinks...
My assumption is that the people who are too lazy to open a door with any modicum of competence are also going to be too lazy to walk all the way up the stairs to the top level of the multistorey, and then all the way to the opposite side of the car park.
I can't get on with this, "It's a white good, what do you care about a few dents?" mentality. I bet the kind of people who make that excuse would be pretty pissed off if I parked my car in their kitchen and then smashed the door into their Smeg refrigerator.
My car might only be worth, what, £1500 maybe? But it's still annoying to have someone damage it through not caring about what is, after all, someone else's property that they've worked hard to pay for.
Of course, having an older car does grant some immunity to this sort of thing; my old Orion had an interestingly concave door panel and several severe parking scars when I bought it. That got parked in all manner of supermarket, multi-storey and student car parks, and in two years I don't think it ever picked up more than a couple of miniscule door dinks...
flemke said:
gently bentley said:
It just seemed all so pointless. It was amazing to watch. You could see they just were totally oblivious. I was staggered by the fact they did it again when they came back.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
Not trying to stir things up here, my friend, but at what point does driving off after denting someone's valuable property become criminal damage?
Should a "Defective Constable" intercede, or are dings and scrapes considered to be venial
slipped stitches in the rich tapestry of life?
Cheers.
The moment you step into your car and drive OFF!!
Edited by Purple AK on Saturday 30th December 23:17
Edited by Purple AK on Saturday 30th December 23:18
flemke said:
gently bentley said:
It just seemed all so pointless. It was amazing to watch. You could see they just were totally oblivious. I was staggered by the fact they did it again when they came back.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
Not trying to stir things up here, my friend, but at what point does driving off after denting someone's valuable property become criminal damage?
Should a "Defective Constable" intercede, or are dings and scrapes considered to be venial slipped stitches in the rich tapestry of life?
Cheers.
No I should have made it clearer. I contacted security on the first one because when the first one happened by the time I had got out the car to say to the person she was well away.
Security told me that they had a car park disclaimer notice and they were not responsible for the damage. I advised them that I was not holding them responsible as it was not one of their staff I had seen strike the car. This caused a wee stand off on the phone and they eventually hung up on me.
The Mall has its own police office and it used to be in my area so I called it. You will not be suprised to hear that the officer told me that there was no crime (he is spot on 100% correct by the way) and it was not a matter for the police. He suggested I call security. Now this might sound daft to alot of people but there is a guy that knows his job. I agree there is no intent to commit a crime so vandalism has not occurred. Therefore no need for police.(Stick with me here)
I explained what was going to happen i.e. car owner returns to find door dented followed by tuff luck.
The cop got onto security and negotiated a guard out. To be fair he (the guard)saw my point but had no sop or guidance on how to deal with what I had seen. He was just there to wave traffic about. We then had a discussion about this very subject and the guards point was "I would have to stand next to every car to make sure this doesn't happen" You know what he is right. Its just so daft and annoying.
Timberwolf. Yes I now do this and you are correct. I always go to the top of a multi and far away from the door. If its a shopping trip I walk across the car park.
Ive actually sat in the car when Mrs GB has been in the shops and had my door rattled by the person next to me getting out. They have looked at me as if "What you looking at"
Ive actually sat in the car when Mrs GB has been in the shops and had my door rattled by the person next to me getting out. They have looked at me as if "What you looking at"
gently bentley said:
flemke said:
gently bentley said:
It just seemed all so pointless. It was amazing to watch. You could see they just were totally oblivious. I was staggered by the fact they did it again when they came back.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
The shopping getting thrown in the back seat and the leaning in the car with the door fixed hard against the other car. WHY?
I had a friend years ago who had a nice wee car that he kept spotless. His girlfriend was not allowed to drive it or take any kind of food or drink into it at all. I used to think he was a bit off his head. I saw her car and you would have thought she had rolled it a few times in a rally. He just smiled at me.
Not trying to stir things up here, my friend, but at what point does driving off after denting someone's valuable property become criminal damage?
Should a "Defective Constable" intercede, or are dings and scrapes considered to be venial slipped stitches in the rich tapestry of life?
Cheers.
No I should have made it clearer. I contacted security on the first one because when the first one happened by the time I had got out the car to say to the person she was well away.
Security told me that they had a car park disclaimer notice and they were not responsible for the damage. I advised them that I was not holding them responsible as it was not one of their staff I had seen strike the car. This caused a wee stand off on the phone and they eventually hung up on me.
The Mall has its own police office and it used to be in my area so I called it. You will not be suprised to hear that the officer told me that there was no crime (he is spot on 100% correct by the way) and it was not a matter for the police. He suggested I call security. Now this might sound daft to alot of people but there is a guy that knows his job. I agree there is no intent to commit a crime so vandalism has not occurred. Therefore no need for police.(Stick with me here)
I explained what was going to happen i.e. car owner returns to find door dented followed by tuff luck.
The cop got onto security and negotiated a guard out. To be fair he (the guard)saw my point but had no sop or guidance on how to deal with what I had seen. He was just there to wave traffic about. We then had a discussion about this very subject and the guards point was "I would have to stand next to every car to make sure this doesn't happen" You know what he is right. Its just so daft and annoying.
It's a collision under the RTA
Road Traffic Act 1988 said:
170(1) If, owing to the presence of a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place an accident occurs whereby-
(b) damage is caused-
(i) to a vehicle other than that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle
170(2) The driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.
170(3) If for any reason the driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.
170(4) A person who fails to comply with the above requirements is guilty of an offence.
It annoys the hell out of me but I'm afraid its just the attitude that is pervading society that no one else matters. A complete lack of consideration and common courtesy.
The worst offenders seem to be women unloading their precious little ones from the back seats. I bet they'd have something to say if I accidentally opened my car door into one of their little cherubs!
The worst offenders seem to be women unloading their precious little ones from the back seats. I bet they'd have something to say if I accidentally opened my car door into one of their little cherubs!
gently bentley said:
The Mall has its own police office and it used to be in my area so I called it. You will not be suprised to hear that the officer told me that there was no crime (he is spot on 100% correct by the way) and it was not a matter for the police. He suggested I call security. Now this might sound daft to alot of people but there is a guy that knows his job. I agree there is no intent to commit a crime so vandalism has not occurred. Therefore no need for police.(Stick with me here)
Thanks for the explanation.
Sorry to be thick about this, but was there no crime because there was no intent?
That is, the denter can "unwittingly" do great damage to other people's property, but the victim's only recourse is small claims or a lawsuit?
I know that this is a bit apples-and-oranges, and I am NOT trying to stimulate the consuming passion of most of us on SP&L, but aren't certain traffic offences crimes (you can be penalised to the point of a custodial sentence) even though there may have been no intent?
I know what people are saying here because I have thought of them all before. RTA 1988 yes correct. Will a PF take it on. NO. FACT. Careless opening of a car door? The offence does exhist. Will a PF take it on? NO. FACT.
They are looking for some degree of criminal act. Its not here in the door dink scenario. Careless opening of a car door under RTA. I got it once years back and it was a horrible one. Cyclist minding his own in the cycle lane, motorist stopped at light throws open door to get out and nealy halved the cyclist in two. PF took that and only just.
So yeah your right small claims court stuff. The police might take a report but whats the chances of you having a witness like I was today or even noticing until its too late.
yes your all right its very sad and stupid and lazy.
I also want to retract the dig at the fairer sex that was just a bit of devilment in me. However it was all ladies today.
They are looking for some degree of criminal act. Its not here in the door dink scenario. Careless opening of a car door under RTA. I got it once years back and it was a horrible one. Cyclist minding his own in the cycle lane, motorist stopped at light throws open door to get out and nealy halved the cyclist in two. PF took that and only just.
So yeah your right small claims court stuff. The police might take a report but whats the chances of you having a witness like I was today or even noticing until its too late.
yes your all right its very sad and stupid and lazy.
I also want to retract the dig at the fairer sex that was just a bit of devilment in me. However it was all ladies today.
flemke said:
gently bentley said:
The Mall has its own police office and it used to be in my area so I called it. You will not be suprised to hear that the officer told me that there was no crime (he is spot on 100% correct by the way) and it was not a matter for the police. He suggested I call security. Now this might sound daft to alot of people but there is a guy that knows his job. I agree there is no intent to commit a crime so vandalism has not occurred. Therefore no need for police.(Stick with me here)
Thanks for the explanation.
Sorry to be thick about this, but was there no crime because there was no intent?
That is, the denter can "unwittingly" do great damage to other people's property, but the victim's only recourse is small claims or a lawsuit?
I know that this is a bit apples-and-oranges, and I am NOT trying to stimulate the consuming passion of most of us on SP&L, but aren't certain traffic offences crimes (you can be penalised to the point of a custodial sentence) even though there may have been no intent?
Criminal Damage Act 1971 said:
1(1) A person who without lawful excuse destroys or damages any property belonging to another intending to destroy or damage any such property or being reckless as to whether any such property would be destroyed or damaged shall be guilty of an offence.
R v G and R 2003 said:
A person acts 'recklessly' for the purposes of section 1 of the Criminal Damage Act 1971 with respect to
1. a circumstance where that person is aware of a risk that exists or will exist;
2. a result when he is aware of a risk that it will occur;
and it is, in the circumstances known to him, unreasonable to take the risk.
gently bentley said:
VH you are correct as always but I'm talking practically here. What is the point of letting injured party mop know this at the scene if you and I both know the authorities will do nothing at all. (I speak under the Scottish system)
If it's witnessed & the offender is aware of the damage they have a duty to report.
At the very least this ensures that names & addresses get exchanged as required & the loser can seek redress for damage.
The Police shouldn't ignore reporting proceedure under RTA on the basis that it may not result in a prosecution. They should report because it's the right thing to do & required by law where a witness reports it to them when names & addresses haven't been exchanged.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 31st December 00:17
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