PCSOs to get more power.....
PCSOs to get more power.....
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stepej

Original Poster:

445 posts

270 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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Police Community Support Officers in West Yorkshire will soon have new powers to tackle drugs, under-age drinking and public disorder on the streets.
Which follows on from their increase in powers at the start of last year which enabled them to direct traffic....
What increase in powers next year I wonder?

Full article from the Yorkshire Post Here

spokey

2,246 posts

239 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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More inept bunglers incapable of being proper police, but doubtlessly cheaper than the real deal.

GO NEW LABOUR!! Ra! Ra! Ra!

motorwise

401 posts

237 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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why don't they just train and become real police officers then - it's a bit stupid really isn't it?

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

278 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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Better give up cycling Tom!

xxplod

2,269 posts

274 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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Mmmmmhhhhh. Ominous. I've been involved in recruiting PCSOs. Well, doing the interview bit. Generally a mix of applicants, but I think we're making a rod for our own backs with a lot of PCSOs. In my experience, a significant proportion are either reject Police Officer applicants or future rejects. The result is that we will have a significant retention problem as the penny drops with those who will never make regular officers.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

247 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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motorwise said:
why don't they just train and become real police officers then - it's a bit stupid really isn't it?


Because they cost a lot more & have different conditions of service.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

247 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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xxplod said:
Mmmmmhhhhh. Ominous. I've been involved in recruiting PCSOs. Well, doing the interview bit. Generally a mix of applicants, but I think we're making a rod for our own backs with a lot of PCSOs. In my experience, a significant proportion are either reject Police Officer applicants or future rejects. The result is that we will have a significant retention problem as the penny drops with those who will never make regular officers.


Tiered Policing ?

fluffnik

20,156 posts

257 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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spokey said:
More inept bunglers incapable of being proper police, but doubtlessly cheaper than the real deal.


But not as cheap as abolishing all the reams of unnecessary new law, obsolete old law and, ideally, the useless jobsworths who dream it up...

wiggy001

7,389 posts

301 months

Sunday 14th January 2007
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vonhosen said:
Because they cost a lot more

Bingo!

jasandjules

72,633 posts

259 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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vonhosen said:
Because they cost a lot more & have different conditions of service.


Sadly Nail and head.

They can say they have "x hundred" new police officers when in fact they are PCSO's. They can therefore continue to lie and cheat and attempt to fool the masses that they actually give a sh*t about protecting us, and try to get us to ignore the vast laws they keep bringing in which do no more than the previous laws we had in place, and simply cause more problems than they are worth, whilst simultaneously failing to build more prisons, and releasing murders/rapists (or letting them escape) to make room for the speeding motorist or the grannies who can't pay their council tax bills.

-JUT-

2,310 posts

243 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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jasandjules said:
vonhosen said:
Because they cost a lot more & have different conditions of service.


Sadly Nail and head.

They can say they have "x hundred" new police officers when in fact they are PCSO's. They can therefore continue to lie and cheat and attempt to fool the masses that they actually give a sh*t about protecting us, and try to get us to ignore the vast laws they keep bringing in which do no more than the previous laws we had in place, and simply cause more problems than they are worth, whilst simultaneously failing to build more prisons, and releasing murders/rapists (or letting them escape) to make room for the speeding motorist or the grannies who can't pay their council tax bills.


You forgot that by employing more PCSO's, they can make it appear (to the doddery coffin-dodgers who can't tell the difference) that there is a stronger police presence on the street, whilst not having to actually employ more real police officers who are in a position to do more good.

PCSO's:

- take much less time to train
- cost less to train and get paid less
- deter very few criminals due to their lack of any real powers and are basically there to take reports of crimes they're not in a position to stop
- often provide reports that are inadmissable in court because they have not been prepared properly (my brother's a Met sergeant, and gets regularly frustrated by this), as they either haven't been trained well enough / for long enough, or because they are simply not good enough to be plod in the first place (so arguably should not be doing any sort of police work).

Bottom line, they're used because they are cheaper and easier to produce and employ than real police.