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refresher

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1,166 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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anyone help with this one.....

someone i know had sat nav system nicked from his car (it was glove box and switched off, sucker etc were removed).

police advised that there is some detector device that picks up either the GPS transponder or the small electrical field generated by the constantly running clock in the device that allows them to target vehicles which people have left their devices in.

anyone know / heard / experienced similar response??

ta

cliffe_mafia

1,739 posts

268 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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I wouldn't imagine there would be a signal if the device was switched off.

Not heard about sat navs but know that the scrotes use blue tooth scanners to see which cars have laptops or phones in them - again the units have to be switched on/in standby mode.


Edited by cliffe_mafia on Tuesday 6th February 09:59

r32

401 posts

282 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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refresher said:
anyone help with this one.....

someone i know had sat nav system nicked from his car (it was glove box and switched off, sucker etc were removed).

police advised that there is some detector device that picks up either the GPS transponder or the small electrical field generated by the constantly running clock in the device that allows them to target vehicles which people have left their devices in.

anyone know / heard / experienced similar response??

ta


This was reported in my local newspaper, but I have no idea whether its true or not.

steve240r

141 posts

244 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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Or they just saw the mark the 'sucker' leaves on the windscreen and guessed it'd be in the glove box where most people leave them!

refresher

Original Poster:

1,166 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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steve240r said:
Or they just saw the mark the 'sucker' leaves on the windscreen and guessed it'd be in the glove box where most people leave them!


police said this could be the cause but that there was a device the crims were using that allowed them to detect electrical devices in the car. i found it odd cos device would be inert (unless it had been left on) so shouldn't be giving out emissions but someone pointed out that devices like this always have a interntal clock etc running which will throw out a very week signal.

Timberwolf

5,374 posts

248 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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Wouldn't the tiny signal from the sat-nav be indistinguishable against the car's clock, remote locking system, alarm, radio memory, and whatever other electronic systems are still active once you've taken out the key?

Maybe if you left your sat-nav in a Morris Minor, but surely a modern car has enough internal clocks and chips to crowd out the signal.

Unless they're scanning for Bluetooth devices, but in that case surely you'd have to leave it on with Bluetooth activated?

Edited by Timberwolf on Tuesday 6th February 11:26

chrispy porker

17,732 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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refresher said:
steve240r said:
Or they just saw the mark the 'sucker' leaves on the windscreen and guessed it'd be in the glove box where most people leave them!


police said this could be the cause but that there was a device the crims were using that allowed them to detect electrical devices in the car. i found it odd cos device would be inert (unless it had been left on) so shouldn't be giving out emissions but someone pointed out that devices like this always have a interntal clock etc running which will throw out a very week signal.


Can you tell us what area/force this was please?

r32

401 posts

282 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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chrispy porker said:
refresher said:
steve240r said:
Or they just saw the mark the 'sucker' leaves on the windscreen and guessed it'd be in the glove box where most people leave them!


police said this could be the cause but that there was a device the crims were using that allowed them to detect electrical devices in the car. i found it odd cos device would be inert (unless it had been left on) so shouldn't be giving out emissions but someone pointed out that devices like this always have a interntal clock etc running which will throw out a very week signal.


Can you tell us what area/force this was please?



Well this was from West Yorks police in my local paper.

refresher

Original Poster:

1,166 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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chrispy porker said:
refresher said:
steve240r said:
Or they just saw the mark the 'sucker' leaves on the windscreen and guessed it'd be in the glove box where most people leave them!


police said this could be the cause but that there was a device the crims were using that allowed them to detect electrical devices in the car. i found it odd cos device would be inert (unless it had been left on) so shouldn't be giving out emissions but someone pointed out that devices like this always have a interntal clock etc running which will throw out a very week signal.


Can you tell us what area/force this was please?



east midlands (loughborough) so leicestshire's finest attended

chrispy porker

17,732 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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Well if two forces are saying it, it must be true!

GKP

15,099 posts

271 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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I can just imagine the local 18 year old scrote going to Maplins with a shopping list and consequently spending 3 hours soldering bits of electronic wizzardry together to make a sat nav detector, instead of throwing a stone through a side window and rummaging through the glovebox.
Makes sense to me! silly

martind

2,138 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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refresher said:


police advised that there is some detector device that picks up either the GPS transponder or the small electrical field generated by the constantly running clock in the device that allows them to target vehicles which people have left their devices in.

anyone know / heard / experienced similar response??

ta

Local Thames Valley TV report a few days ago said the same thing, crims have scanners that can detect sat navs in glove boxes , so do not leave them in there. No more details I'm afraid.

mg6b

6,649 posts

293 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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Don't leave anything valuable in your car if you cannot afford to replace it! (oh and the window!!)

splatspeed

7,491 posts

281 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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so you are taking advice on electronics for the police

GPS units are receivers there is more background noise from the clocks in the car and street lights

i don't trust pc plod to sit on the toilet the right way up!

the piece of kit they would need would probably be an Rohde and Schwartz FSP spectrum analyser and a directional areiel costing in the region of 20 to 40 k

no they saw the sucker rings on the glass

no wonder there are so many miscarriges of justice police just make things up

they are even trying to bend the laws of physics

if you ever get the chance to look at a TV detector van the ariels are not connected to anything.

chrispy porker

17,732 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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Perhaps they are trying to reinforce the message that it is better to remove your sat nav from the vehicle.Most people don't bother.

splatspeed

7,491 posts

281 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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yuo are absolutly correct

but lying is not the answer

chrispy porker

17,732 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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It's mostly the tell tale ring on the glass.
We had two campaigns devised to remind drivers, one was called 'wipe your ring' and the other was 'whip it out and wipe it'.
Neither got past corporate communications for some reason

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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Its a load of bollox. Any such signal would be utterly tiny. And thieves don't have the mental ability to use devices that would detect such signals.

Its just scare-mongering to make people take their satnav out of the car completely. Nothing more.

andmole

1,594 posts

241 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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splatspeed said:
so you are taking advice on electronics for the police

GPS units are receivers there is more background noise from the clocks in the car and street lights

i don't trust pc plod to sit on the toilet the right way up!

the piece of kit they would need would probably be an Rohde and Schwartz FSP spectrum analyser and a directional areiel costing in the region of 20 to 40 k

no they saw the sucker rings on the glass

no wonder there are so many miscarriges of justice police just make things up

they are even trying to bend the laws of physics

if you ever get the chance to look at a TV detector van the ariels are not connected to anything.


And to quote from the best TV series of all time
scotty said:

Yea canna change the laws o' Physics


Mind you the laws of Physics make it quite difficult to sit on the toilet anything other than the right way up, (you know that stuff called gravity).

andmole, chief Physics adviser

chrispy porker

17,732 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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Its the right way round that is the difficulty !