Hmmm Is this an offence?
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Coming up to a roundabout, full size one, with two lanes of traffic. Said round about has two exits, one left and one right as you go round it (no straight one exit)
Nearside lane turns left, and the road it turn into has two lanes that filter down to one lane after 100 yards, which always causes a traffic jam for the cars in the nearside lane turning left, so there is always a queue to turn left
Right hand lane as you approach turns right, and people do use this lane so right hand only. Only problem is due to the traffic turning left, there is a queue to get onto the roundabout as traffic that is coming from the right hand turn queue to effectively go straight over.
So, here is the question, is this manoeuvre an offence?
You approach the roundabout in the right hand lane, indicate to turn right, wait for the traffic to let you out, go right round the round about, and keep going round, instead of turning right, then join the queuing traffic that are waiting to effectively turn left and follow the traffic.
What you are effectively doing is going 270 degrees around the roundabout, to save time and not have to queue in the left hand lane. At no point is anyone cut up, the speed is in the region of 5-10mph max
And the answer is????
Nearside lane turns left, and the road it turn into has two lanes that filter down to one lane after 100 yards, which always causes a traffic jam for the cars in the nearside lane turning left, so there is always a queue to turn left
Right hand lane as you approach turns right, and people do use this lane so right hand only. Only problem is due to the traffic turning left, there is a queue to get onto the roundabout as traffic that is coming from the right hand turn queue to effectively go straight over.
So, here is the question, is this manoeuvre an offence?
You approach the roundabout in the right hand lane, indicate to turn right, wait for the traffic to let you out, go right round the round about, and keep going round, instead of turning right, then join the queuing traffic that are waiting to effectively turn left and follow the traffic.
What you are effectively doing is going 270 degrees around the roundabout, to save time and not have to queue in the left hand lane. At no point is anyone cut up, the speed is in the region of 5-10mph max
And the answer is????
Legal I reckon and a smart way a saving a few minutes without breaking any road markings. Not tosserish at all -- every one of those dilberts in the left lane had the same option as you do do it your way without breaking any laws.
This is distinct from say in Walton-on-Thames where there are two lanes, one MARKED left and straight on, another MARKED right. People blow up the left lane and force into the right turning traffic through the light causing congestion. These guys are tosserish because they're gaining advantage by contravention of road markings, which us drivers with a social conscience cannot do (and moan about it). And the lights aren't timed for that volume of traffic going right on that phase.
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This is distinct from say in Walton-on-Thames where there are two lanes, one MARKED left and straight on, another MARKED right. People blow up the left lane and force into the right turning traffic through the light causing congestion. These guys are tosserish because they're gaining advantage by contravention of road markings, which us drivers with a social conscience cannot do (and moan about it). And the lights aren't timed for that volume of traffic going right on that phase.
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herewego said:
Why bother going around the roundabout? Why not just turn left from the right hand lane (making sure nothing's turning right from the left hand lane of course).
Because if you're trying this in Norfolk some small minded imbecile will attempt to not "let you in" rather than do the more intelligent zip together manouvre... She'll be revving up and nudging her sierra up against the car in front looking like she's not see you. lol.
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supermono said:
herewego said:
Why bother going around the roundabout? Why not just turn left from the right hand lane (making sure nothing's turning right from the left hand lane of course).
Because if you're trying this in Norfolk some small minded imbecile will attempt to not "let you in" rather than do the more intelligent zip together manouvre... She'll be revving up and nudging her sierra up against the car in front looking like she's not see you. lol.
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The first exit appears to have two lanes if I read it correctly.
hugoagogo said:
Mr Freefall said:
What you are effectively doing is going 270 degrees around the roundabout
450°
270° is just a right turn
No, 90° right would be a right turn. 270° right is a left-turn!
450° right would be right around the roundabout once, and THEN turn right. Which would be silly!
PS - and no, you can't go 270° left on a roundabout, not in the UK anyway.
herewego said:
The first exit appears to have two lanes if I read it correctly.
Yes you did. But they merge together a short distance on, we're told. If the imbecile sees you alongside from the roundabout she'll get shirty, wheras if you mingle with those coming from the right you're less likely to incur her wrath at the come-together.
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herewego said:
Why bother going around the roundabout? Why not just turn left from the right hand lane (making sure nothing's turning right from the left hand lane of course).
Because the queue of traffic in the left hand lane reserves the right to turn left, but slip into the right hand lane. If there was a collision, then as you are the driver of the car that has turned left from the right hand lane, my thoughts are that you would be deemed 100% responsible for the accident, whereas if you drive around the roundabout, then you would not be responsible for such an accident.
richburley said:
herewego said:
Why bother going around the roundabout? Why not just turn left from the right hand lane (making sure nothing's turning right from the left hand lane of course).
Because the queue of traffic in the left hand lane reserves the right to turn left, but slip into the right hand lane. If there was a collision, then as you are the driver of the car that has turned left from the right hand lane, my thoughts are that you would be deemed 100% responsible for the accident, whereas if you drive around the roundabout, then you would not be responsible for such an accident.
I wouldn’t propose taking either option personally as both are discourteous, and selfish, and could lead to the right hand approach lane becoming blocked with left turning drivers.
havoc said:
hugoagogo said:
Mr Freefall said:
What you are effectively doing is going 270 degrees around the roundabout
450°
270° is just a right turn
No, 90° right would be a right turn. 270° right is a left-turn!
450° right would be right around the roundabout once, and THEN turn right. Which would be silly!
PS - and no, you can't go 270° left on a roundabout, not in the UK anyway.
havoc said:
450° right would be right around the roundabout once, and THEN turn right. Which would be silly!
no, assuming four evenly spaced exits, 270° clockwise round the circle (the only way you can go in the uk of course) is leaving at the third exit, ie turning right
90° is leaving on the first exit, ie left, 180° round the circle is straight on
450° clockwise is right round the roundabout and THEN turning left, which is what he said
hugoagogo said:
havoc said:
hugoagogo said:
Mr Freefall said:
What you are effectively doing is going 270 degrees around the roundabout
450°
270° is just a right turn
No, 90° right would be a right turn. 270° right is a left-turn!
450° right would be right around the roundabout once, and THEN turn right. Which would be silly!
PS - and no, you can't go 270° left on a roundabout, not in the UK anyway.
havoc said:
450° right would be right around the roundabout once, and THEN turn right. Which would be silly!
no, assuming four evenly spaced exits, 270° clockwise round the circle (the only way you can go in the uk of course) is leaving at the third exit, ie turning right
90° is leaving on the first exit, ie left, 180° round the circle is straight on
450° clockwise is right round the roundabout and THEN turning left, which is what he said
Oh FFS. If you turn RIGHT at a roundabout the car's attitude changes by 90 degrees, NOT 270 degrees.
Edit: Just read your last post. Do you want a taxi as well?!?
havoc said:
hugoagogo said:
havoc said:
hugoagogo said:
Mr Freefall said:
What you are effectively doing is going 270 degrees around the roundabout
450°
270° is just a right turn
No, 90° right would be a right turn. 270° right is a left-turn!
450° right would be right around the roundabout once, and THEN turn right. Which would be silly!
PS - and no, you can't go 270° left on a roundabout, not in the UK anyway.
havoc said:
450° right would be right around the roundabout once, and THEN turn right. Which would be silly!
no, assuming four evenly spaced exits, 270° clockwise round the circle (the only way you can go in the uk of course) is leaving at the third exit, ie turning right
90° is leaving on the first exit, ie left, 180° round the circle is straight on
450° clockwise is right round the roundabout and THEN turning left, which is what he said
Oh FFS. If you turn RIGHT at a roundabout the car's attitude changes by 90 degrees, NOT 270 degrees.
Edit: Just read your last post. Do you want a taxi as well?!?
Okay. How many degrees if you turn left?
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