Parking within 10m of a junction
Discussion
Hi
Does anyone know if the above rule applies to private roads too.
We have a neighbour who has his works high top transit van parked outside our house and it has been there day and night for about 4 days now. The road looks something like this (the van is denoted by the stars, our house is denoted by hashes):
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Main Road...........................
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Private .............................
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//////////¦..........¦///////////
######¦ ** ....¦///////////
######¦ ** ....¦///////////
######¦ ** ....¦///////////
######¦.........¦///////////
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Drive ...............¦///////////
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He is parked more than 10m (but only just) from the main road junction - but parked right up to the private road that runs parallel to it.
We have politely asked that the van be moved because it is obstructing our view of the junction when we are driving off our drive. In addition it is also blocking the view for the houses down the private road, He has refused to move it despite having ample parking (room for at least 4 cars) outside his own property. He has taken the attitude that he can park where he likes and that we have no right to ask him to stop parking there, because it is a public highway.
Does anyone know if the above rule applies to private roads too.
We have a neighbour who has his works high top transit van parked outside our house and it has been there day and night for about 4 days now. The road looks something like this (the van is denoted by the stars, our house is denoted by hashes):
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Main Road...........................
......................................
---------¦.........¦----------
//////////¦.........¦///////////
//////////¦.........¦///////////
---------¦.........¦-----------
Private .............................
---------¦.........¦-----------
//////////¦..........¦///////////
######¦ ** ....¦///////////
######¦ ** ....¦///////////
######¦ ** ....¦///////////
######¦.........¦///////////
---------¦........¦///////////
......................¦///////////
Drive ...............¦///////////
---------¦........¦///////////
//////////¦.........¦///////////
//////////¦.........¦///////////
He is parked more than 10m (but only just) from the main road junction - but parked right up to the private road that runs parallel to it.
We have politely asked that the van be moved because it is obstructing our view of the junction when we are driving off our drive. In addition it is also blocking the view for the houses down the private road, He has refused to move it despite having ample parking (room for at least 4 cars) outside his own property. He has taken the attitude that he can park where he likes and that we have no right to ask him to stop parking there, because it is a public highway.
Is it a private road (unadopted) or public highway (ie, maintained by local authority). If its the former then he will have to abide by the right to access rules put down in the deeds of the properties. If its public highway then its down to the rules in the Highway Code. You're best to contact your local authority and ask them to investigate as it could be viewed as a nuicance.
That must have taken ages to 'draw'!!
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
Edited by combemarshal on Sunday 11th February 16:45
It is a private road - maintained by the properties which use it (his being one of them). I`m not sure what the deeds of the property say - although he isnt blobking the drive as such - just severely obstructing the view, especially for us - as we cant see vehicles turing into our road from the main road - and for vehicles tuning right out of the private road.
Unfortunately - there is only enough room to park one vehicle - so blocking isnt an option.
Unfortunately - there is only enough room to park one vehicle - so blocking isnt an option.
combemarshal said:
That must have taken ages to 'draw'!!
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
Edited by combemarshal on Sunday 11th February 16:45
It's a DO NOT rule though, not a MUST NOT rule.
As such it is not a specific legislated offence.
Moonhawk said:
It is a private road - maintained by the properties which use it (his being one of them). I`m not sure what the deeds of the property say - although he isnt blobking the drive as such - just severely obstructing the view, especially for us - as we cant see vehicles turing into our road from the main road - and for vehicles tuning right out of the private road.
Unfortunately - there is only enough room to park one vehicle - so blocking isnt an option.
Unfortunately - there is only enough room to park one vehicle - so blocking isnt an option.
Could you park one of your vehicles there instead?
Moonhawk said:
BliarOut said:
Could you park one of your vehicles there instead?
We have a perfectly serviceable drive and a garage (just like he has) so to do that would be rather inconsiderate and un-neighbourly of us.
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 11th February 16:59
True, but it would resolve the problem of a neighbour being un-neighbourly.
vonhosen said:
combemarshal said:
That must have taken ages to 'draw'!!
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
Edited by combemarshal on Sunday 11th February 16:45
It's a DO NOT rule though, not a MUST NOT rule.
As such it is not a specific legislated offence.
Never mind that, just print it off (form the Highways code site) and stick it under his wiper!
Anyway, Do not means Don't
Must not means, er, Don't!!
so don't!!
BliarOut said:
Moonhawk said:
BliarOut said:
Could you park one of your vehicles there instead?
We have a perfectly serviceable drive and a garage (just like he has) so to do that would be rather inconsiderate and un-neighbourly of us.
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 11th February 16:59
True, but it would resolve the problem of a neighbour being un-neighbourly.
True I guess - but then I would also be in breach of my car insurance terms and conditions - so if some "accident" befell my car, i`d be screwed.
combemarshal said:
vonhosen said:
combemarshal said:
That must have taken ages to 'draw'!!
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
They seem to do it all over the place round here but nothing is ever done about it
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop
* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank
* on the approach to a level crossing
* opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
* near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
* opposite a traffic island or (if this would cause an obstruction) another parked vehicle
* where you would force other traffic to enter a tram lane
* where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users
* in front of an entrance to a property
* on a bend.
Edited by combemarshal on Sunday 11th February 16:45
It's a DO NOT rule though, not a MUST NOT rule.
As such it is not a specific legislated offence.
Never mind that, just print it off (form the Highways code site) and stick it under his wiper!
Anyway, Do not means Don't
Must not means, er, Don't!!
so don't!!
It's a big difference when it comes down to it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
vonhosen said:
It's a big difference when it comes down to it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
"Justify" it, as in observing that the van is gratuitously blocking the view to the side road and thus creating a hazard?
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
It's a big difference when it comes down to it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
"Justify" it, as in observing that the van is gratuitously blocking the view to the side road and thus creating a hazard?
Most Police officers aren't going to issue an unecessary obstruction 'just' because it is closer than 10m to a junction. Where they think it warrants a prosecution they will, where they don't they won't. It's down to whether they believe it is justifiable or not in 'their' opinion.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 11th February 17:24
Ive just been going over the highway code again and it also appears that he is in breach of this rule also:
224: Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525kg unladen, invalid carriages and motorcycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by. Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
Law RVLR reg 24
The van is actually a vauxhall vivaro (not a transit) - which has an unladen weight of 2770kg.
224: Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525kg unladen, invalid carriages and motorcycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by. Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
Law RVLR reg 24
The van is actually a vauxhall vivaro (not a transit) - which has an unladen weight of 2770kg.
vonhosen said:
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
It's a big difference when it comes down to it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
"Justify" it, as in observing that the van is gratuitously blocking the view to the side road and thus creating a hazard?
Most Police officers aren't going to issue an unecessary obstruction 'just' because it is closer than 10m to a junction. Where they think it warrants a prosecution they will, where they don't they won't. It's down to whether they believe it is justifiable or not in 'their' opinion.
If that's the way it works, that's the way it works.
What isn't fair enough is the idea that (taking the OP at face value) some selfish dipwad is inconveniencing the OP and creating at least a marginal hazard for the purely selfish reason that he doesn't want his poxy van sitting in front of his own house.
If I understand how things work, in this case no one can force said dipwad to move said poxy van, but if the OP were to vandalise (no pun intended) the van or were to punch the dipwad's lights out, the OP would have the law on him in no time.
That does not seem right.
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
flemke said:
vonhosen said:
It's a big difference when it comes down to it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
If it's parked in conditions relating to a MUST NOT, then any officer doesn't have to justify any ticketing etc.
If it's a DO NOT, they do have to justify it.
"Justify" it, as in observing that the van is gratuitously blocking the view to the side road and thus creating a hazard?
Most Police officers aren't going to issue an unecessary obstruction 'just' because it is closer than 10m to a junction. Where they think it warrants a prosecution they will, where they don't they won't. It's down to whether they believe it is justifiable or not in 'their' opinion.
If that's the way it works, that's the way it works.
What isn't fair enough is the idea that (taking the OP at face value) some selfish dipwad is inconveniencing the OP and creating at least a marginal hazard for the purely selfish reason that he doesn't want his poxy van sitting in front of his own house.
If I understand how things work, in this case no one can force said dipwad to move said poxy van, but if the OP were to vandalise (no pun intended) the van or were to punch the dipwad's lights out, the OP would have the law on him in no time.
That does not seem right.
None of us have control over who parks on the road outside our house. We can't commit criminal damage or assault because we don't like someone parking outside our house either. Getting all protective about a piece of road outside your house that you have no right or claim to is a bit silly & very different to say someone parking across your drive way.
Strictly speaking any vehicle parked on the road is an obstruction, it's just whether they satisfy the second part & are unnecessary or not. If they are unnecessary they are an offence.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 11th February 17:59
Thanks for the replys guys. I guess i`ll just have to see how it goes. We have asked him politely as so far he has failed to move it.
We may do as suggested and post the highway code rules 217 and 224 on his windscreen - because at the moment he has the attitude that he is acting lawfully.
I guess our next step would be to complain to his work (as it is a company van) - I think he actually works for the council so perhaps that would be more fruitfull.
Its a pity it has had to come to this - all because he either doesnt like parking the van in front of his own property or (and in all likelyhood) he has had complaints from his immediate neighbours.
We may do as suggested and post the highway code rules 217 and 224 on his windscreen - because at the moment he has the attitude that he is acting lawfully.
I guess our next step would be to complain to his work (as it is a company van) - I think he actually works for the council so perhaps that would be more fruitfull.
Its a pity it has had to come to this - all because he either doesnt like parking the van in front of his own property or (and in all likelyhood) he has had complaints from his immediate neighbours.
Moonhawk said:
I guess i`ll just have all because he either doesnt like parking the van in front of his own property or (and in all likelyhood) he has had complaints from his immediate neighbours.
I suspect you are getting antsy because he has the audacity to park in front of your property, rather than any safety reasons. LIVE WITH IT. life’s too short.
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