What does ANPR tell the plod?
Discussion
lostusernamedamn said:
It tells them (or confirms to them) that at least 40% of the information held is incorrect. 
....which may seem to be a bit of a joke in a way, but it's rather less of a joke if it results in your perfectly legal car getting stopped and you being given a hard time by plod - for no good reason - as apparently can happen.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
It's much better thank you ....
It also can cause Dibble a right headache 
if you have a private plate, as DVLA don't always update the database as soon as they state.
I was pulled on the M5 a while back, when the officer came towards me all he could say was
Plod:'No No No...this is all wrong.....This number is registered to a Jaguar in Manchester and this car is a TVR in Worcester'.
Me: Gold Jaguar is it?
Plod: Dunno
Me: We if you check the name who the Jaguar is registered too and Check who this car is registered too you should be able to tell we are one and the same
Plod: Ohh! when did you change cars?
Me: I haven't just switched the number on the cars at a cost of £80 about 'SIX' weeks ago.
Plod: Ohhherrr! didn't think about that... [pause]....what speed do you think you were doing?
Me: NFI...but if I was speeding I'm sure yo've got all the neccesary evidence?
Plod: Well er we didn't have the camera on
Me: will that be all or are you going to check all the car over and then give me your obligitary condescending lecture...here on the hard shoulder?
Plod: [pause] says nothing.
Me: So, may I go now?
Plod: Err yes
Now it's not that I was pulled, but the least he could have done was act with a little civillity...and after seeing my license and confirming the address, and accepting all was in order and it was the ANPR system that was at fault for not being updated, why did he not at the least apologise for causing me an inconvenience and endangering both parties.
Iam not anti plod, they do a very difficult job, but a little civility and the ability to accept they are not always correct seems to escape some.
if you have a private plate, as DVLA don't always update the database as soon as they state. I was pulled on the M5 a while back, when the officer came towards me all he could say was
Plod:'No No No...this is all wrong.....This number is registered to a Jaguar in Manchester and this car is a TVR in Worcester'.
Me: Gold Jaguar is it?
Plod: Dunno
Me: We if you check the name who the Jaguar is registered too and Check who this car is registered too you should be able to tell we are one and the same
Plod: Ohh! when did you change cars?
Me: I haven't just switched the number on the cars at a cost of £80 about 'SIX' weeks ago.
Plod: Ohhherrr! didn't think about that... [pause]....what speed do you think you were doing?
Me: NFI...but if I was speeding I'm sure yo've got all the neccesary evidence?
Plod: Well er we didn't have the camera on
Me: will that be all or are you going to check all the car over and then give me your obligitary condescending lecture...here on the hard shoulder?
Plod: [pause] says nothing.
Me: So, may I go now?
Plod: Err yes
Now it's not that I was pulled, but the least he could have done was act with a little civillity...and after seeing my license and confirming the address, and accepting all was in order and it was the ANPR system that was at fault for not being updated, why did he not at the least apologise for causing me an inconvenience and endangering both parties.
Iam not anti plod, they do a very difficult job, but a little civility and the ability to accept they are not always correct seems to escape some.
fluffnik said:
Too much.
Any small utility APNR may have is far, far outweighed by its potential for abuse.
Scrap it.
Any small utility APNR may have is far, far outweighed by its potential for abuse.
Scrap it.
Sad you think that - we love the fact it points us in the direction of 'proper' people to stop as opposed to people with insurance, licences and MOT's. Each to their own I suppose.
ANPR is an excellent tool for ridding the roads of uninsured, untaxed vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers.
More strength to its arm - and I hope that the police manage to catch as many illegals as they possibly can with it.
Anyone wary of ANPR has, in common with those who fear ID cards, probably got something to hide.....
More strength to its arm - and I hope that the police manage to catch as many illegals as they possibly can with it.
Anyone wary of ANPR has, in common with those who fear ID cards, probably got something to hide.....
so8 said:
fluffnik said:
Too much.
Any small utility APNR may have is far, far outweighed by its potential for abuse.
Scrap it.
Any small utility APNR may have is far, far outweighed by its potential for abuse.
Scrap it.
Sad you think that - we love the fact it points us in the direction of 'proper' people to stop as opposed to people with insurance, licences and MOT's. Each to their own I suppose.
I'd be happy about that if it was all that it was capable of doing with no posibility of logging anything anywhere...
But there can be no such guarantee, so scrap it I say.
nickwilcock said:
ANPR is an excellent tool for ridding the roads of uninsured, untaxed vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers.
More strength to its arm - and I hope that the police manage to catch as many illegals as they possibly can with it.
More strength to its arm - and I hope that the police manage to catch as many illegals as they possibly can with it.
That's a not inconsiderable "small utility" but it is still as nothing to the cost of potential abuse.
nickwilcock said:
Anyone wary of ANPR has, in common with those who fear ID cards, probably got something to hide.....
Nope, I just believe that since I have nothing to hide the government, nor anyone else, has any business trying to look at it.
Ben Franklin said:
He who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither.
cooky said:
It also can cause Dibble a right headache if you have a private plate, as DVLA don't always update the database as soon as they state.
I was pulled on the M5 a while back, when the officer came towards me all he could say was
Plod:'No No No...this is all wrong.....This number is registered to a Jaguar in Manchester and this car is a TVR in Worcester'.
Me: Gold Jaguar is it?
Plod: Dunno
Me: We if you check the name who the Jaguar is registered too and Check who this car is registered too you should be able to tell we are one and the same
Plod: Ohh! when did you change cars?
Me: I haven't just switched the number on the cars at a cost of £80 about 'SIX' weeks ago.
Plod: Ohhherrr! didn't think about that... [pause]....what speed do you think you were doing?
Me: NFI...but if I was speeding I'm sure yo've got all the neccesary evidence?
Plod: Well er we didn't have the camera on
Me: will that be all or are you going to check all the car over and then give me your obligitary condescending lecture...here on the hard shoulder?
Plod: [pause] says nothing.
Me: So, may I go now?
Plod: Err yes
Now it's not that I was pulled, but the least he could have done was act with a little civillity...and after seeing my license and confirming the address, and accepting all was in order and it was the ANPR system that was at fault for not being updated, why did he not at the least apologise for causing me an inconvenience and endangering both parties.
Iam not anti plod, they do a very difficult job, but a little civility and the ability to accept they are not always correct seems to escape some.
if you have a private plate, as DVLA don't always update the database as soon as they state. I was pulled on the M5 a while back, when the officer came towards me all he could say was
Plod:'No No No...this is all wrong.....This number is registered to a Jaguar in Manchester and this car is a TVR in Worcester'.
Me: Gold Jaguar is it?
Plod: Dunno
Me: We if you check the name who the Jaguar is registered too and Check who this car is registered too you should be able to tell we are one and the same
Plod: Ohh! when did you change cars?
Me: I haven't just switched the number on the cars at a cost of £80 about 'SIX' weeks ago.
Plod: Ohhherrr! didn't think about that... [pause]....what speed do you think you were doing?
Me: NFI...but if I was speeding I'm sure yo've got all the neccesary evidence?
Plod: Well er we didn't have the camera on
Me: will that be all or are you going to check all the car over and then give me your obligitary condescending lecture...here on the hard shoulder?
Plod: [pause] says nothing.
Me: So, may I go now?
Plod: Err yes
Now it's not that I was pulled, but the least he could have done was act with a little civillity...and after seeing my license and confirming the address, and accepting all was in order and it was the ANPR system that was at fault for not being updated, why did he not at the least apologise for causing me an inconvenience and endangering both parties.
Iam not anti plod, they do a very difficult job, but a little civility and the ability to accept they are not always correct seems to escape some.
Happened to us, the day after we got our tvr, the BiB did a u turn in the london street near our house (we were 300m away from home) stuck the lights on and pulled us over. The said the plate belonged to an audi TT. That was our car which we sold 6 months before and put the plate on retention! They asked me for proof of ownership. Its a bright yellow car so hardly incospicious, but to be honest I was glad they were that observant! Ended up swapping stories about cars before they got called away.
nickwilcock said:
ANPR is an excellent tool for ridding the roads of uninsured, untaxed vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers.
More strength to its arm - and I hope that the police manage to catch as many illegals as they possibly can with it.
Anyone wary of ANPR has, in common with those who fear ID cards, probably got something to hide.....
More strength to its arm - and I hope that the police manage to catch as many illegals as they possibly can with it.
Anyone wary of ANPR has, in common with those who fear ID cards, probably got something to hide.....
Ok, so I guess your be first in line for the surgical implanted ID chips in the back of your head in the near future.
nickwilcock said:
Anyone wary of ANPR has, in common with those who fear ID cards, probably got something to hide.....
As to ANPR, I don't think the police have got any business recording my movements, end of. And I come from a country where ID cards were mandatory and vigorously checked by the police. It did nothing to stop crime or terrorism, all it did was start a vigorous and profitable business in black market ID cards.
You're going to wake up one day in a fully-fledged police state, with every one of your movements monitored by some faceless bureaucrat and you're still going to be saying "it's not a problem, I don't have anything to hide."
I can't believe some people.
I hate to say it but all my contact so far with ANPR has been pretty positive.
Scenario 1.Mate of mine was pulled as his car didnt appear on the MID, it was taxed, MOT'd etc and they accepted his explanation, gave him a producer and off he went. Produced his doc's no problem, so they do seem to be using their heads.
Scenario 2. We are based close to Stansted Airport, they are always setting up there and pulling anything that 'pings' on the screen (they have different levels of alert for no tax, not on MID up to wanted in conection with a crime). They have to have a transporter there all the time to take away the (loads of) cars that they pull and turn out to have no isurance/tax/unlicenced driver etc. They only take your car if it is uninsured and untaxed. if you are not on the MID but otherwise you are ok you will just get a producer.
Scenario 3. We had a break in at work, a hot water washer was stolen from a locked shed. the muppets didn't expect that we would have concealed CCTV everywhere so we got the vehicle and reg no. This will go straight onto the system and alert the bill if the car is seen by any ANPR. Even the most alert and observant copper can't remember every reg number of every car involved in a crime thoughout the UK.
I dont think we should automatically lump ANPR in with speed cameras AS LONG AS THEY ARE USING IT FOR THE PURPOSE IS WAS DESIGNED FOR. While it is hauling uninsured, unlicenced drivers off the road before they can plough into you or I, it works for me.
Scenario 1.Mate of mine was pulled as his car didnt appear on the MID, it was taxed, MOT'd etc and they accepted his explanation, gave him a producer and off he went. Produced his doc's no problem, so they do seem to be using their heads.
Scenario 2. We are based close to Stansted Airport, they are always setting up there and pulling anything that 'pings' on the screen (they have different levels of alert for no tax, not on MID up to wanted in conection with a crime). They have to have a transporter there all the time to take away the (loads of) cars that they pull and turn out to have no isurance/tax/unlicenced driver etc. They only take your car if it is uninsured and untaxed. if you are not on the MID but otherwise you are ok you will just get a producer.
Scenario 3. We had a break in at work, a hot water washer was stolen from a locked shed. the muppets didn't expect that we would have concealed CCTV everywhere so we got the vehicle and reg no. This will go straight onto the system and alert the bill if the car is seen by any ANPR. Even the most alert and observant copper can't remember every reg number of every car involved in a crime thoughout the UK.
I dont think we should automatically lump ANPR in with speed cameras AS LONG AS THEY ARE USING IT FOR THE PURPOSE IS WAS DESIGNED FOR. While it is hauling uninsured, unlicenced drivers off the road before they can plough into you or I, it works for me.
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