So is the limit 40 or 60 , repeaters only...
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Since the A34 roadworks I have been using a back route to go around every morning. I noticed recently that on one stretch of 40 limit I am always being pushed to go faster (tailgated). Happens every day and everyone seems to do it. Weird I thought. So I put my observation skills to the test and noticed that coming in the opposite direction there is one point where there are two 40 signs one each side of the road indicating you are entering a 40 limit. But there are no signs on the reverse to show that you are leaving the 40 and entering a NSL. So I have been doing 40. Looking closely at a side road AFTER this point I can see that there are 30 signs going into the road but just visible on the reverse are NSL signs. Then about a mile up the road , just as I turn off to rejoin the A34 there is a small NSL repeater on a lampost facing me.
Now as far as I am concerned I am still in a 40 right ? I have not passed any signs to indicate a change of speed limit. Even thought with close observation I can work out that cars joining from side roads are passing a proper NSL sign I never go past one. So legally where would I stand if pulled over. The last double set of correctly placed signs I passed was 40. Does the repeater sign count or do I have to pass a proper set of double signs (either side of the road) before the limit changes ? Further complication, there are plentiful steetlights on the first section , and if there were no signs it would indicate this to be a 30 limit (to me).
Edited to add - I havent been stopped , this is just curiosity , I suspect they have forgottent to put NSL signs up after some roadworks and the tailgaters are all the locals who 'know' this is NSL not 40
Now as far as I am concerned I am still in a 40 right ? I have not passed any signs to indicate a change of speed limit. Even thought with close observation I can work out that cars joining from side roads are passing a proper NSL sign I never go past one. So legally where would I stand if pulled over. The last double set of correctly placed signs I passed was 40. Does the repeater sign count or do I have to pass a proper set of double signs (either side of the road) before the limit changes ? Further complication, there are plentiful steetlights on the first section , and if there were no signs it would indicate this to be a 30 limit (to me).
Edited to add - I havent been stopped , this is just curiosity , I suspect they have forgottent to put NSL signs up after some roadworks and the tailgaters are all the locals who 'know' this is NSL not 40
Edited by bigdods on Sunday 4th March 22:41
Annoying this, isn't it? I've noticed it in so many places around the country over the last few years. A favourite place to not play fair is at the end of roadworks on a motorway, after a 40 or 50 limit: no NSL signs.
Here's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong):
If there are no speed limit signs but the road has lamp posts at 200yd intervals (or less), the limit is 30.
If there are no speed limit signs and there are no lamp posts, or they are spaced at intervals greater than 200yds, NSL applies.
Otherwise, at the entry of a limited area, there must be large round signs, white with a red border, with black numerals showing the limit. There must also be repeaters (the same sign but smaller) at frequent (but indeterminate) intervals.
It seems to me that, particularly in NSL areas but also in some lower speed limit areas, there are few or even no repeaters and in some cases, as bigdods described, no sign at all as you enter the new limit.
Here's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong):
If there are no speed limit signs but the road has lamp posts at 200yd intervals (or less), the limit is 30.
If there are no speed limit signs and there are no lamp posts, or they are spaced at intervals greater than 200yds, NSL applies.
Otherwise, at the entry of a limited area, there must be large round signs, white with a red border, with black numerals showing the limit. There must also be repeaters (the same sign but smaller) at frequent (but indeterminate) intervals.
It seems to me that, particularly in NSL areas but also in some lower speed limit areas, there are few or even no repeaters and in some cases, as bigdods described, no sign at all as you enter the new limit.
See this link for sign info.
www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tal/signsandsignals/speedlimitsigns
It looks like the local highway authority have made an error, there should be NSL signs to notify you that you are entering a NSL section of highway.
You can also check the TRO at the council to establish where the limit starts and finiishes.
www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tal/signsandsignals/speedlimitsigns
It looks like the local highway authority have made an error, there should be NSL signs to notify you that you are entering a NSL section of highway.
You can also check the TRO at the council to establish where the limit starts and finiishes.
athey997S said:
Get a ****ing life!
Another erudite post, confirming that 911 owners aren't complete tossers after all...?
Clearly the road isn't marked correctly and the council needs to correct that to improve safety and traffic flow.
But you would be too selfish to appreciate that wouldn't you?
Bye bye troll boy.
I guessed the road you were referring to, travelling it most days, and am sorry to report that the current signs are better than they were, following my discussion with the (surprisingly receptive and amicable) relevant department.
Previously a small repeater sign suggested that you were leaving the 40mph limit and entering a 30mph limit, unless you were travelling north in which case it was NSL entering 40mph limit.
It's not clear and it's not right, but at least it's now more clear and less wrong. And less restrictive.
WilliBetz
Previously a small repeater sign suggested that you were leaving the 40mph limit and entering a 30mph limit, unless you were travelling north in which case it was NSL entering 40mph limit.
It's not clear and it's not right, but at least it's now more clear and less wrong. And less restrictive.
WilliBetz
Unless I misunderstood the OP, the issue was with the lack of a NSL sign. The only assumption one can make (in law) is that the 40mph limit continues until, either:
a) there is a starter sign indicating a different limit;
b) a NSL repeater is passed; or
c) sufficient distance has been covered without passing a 40 repeater to reasonably assume the limit is different (this may well be triable). The limit in force can then be deduced from the various characteristics of the road and its immediate environs.
That puts DVD's (joking) comment in context, in that notifying the authorities should result in the NSl starting where it is supposed to, remove the confusion for drivers, improve traffic flows, and reduce the risk of accidents.
Streaky
a) there is a starter sign indicating a different limit;
b) a NSL repeater is passed; or
c) sufficient distance has been covered without passing a 40 repeater to reasonably assume the limit is different (this may well be triable). The limit in force can then be deduced from the various characteristics of the road and its immediate environs.
That puts DVD's (joking) comment in context, in that notifying the authorities should result in the NSl starting where it is supposed to, remove the confusion for drivers, improve traffic flows, and reduce the risk of accidents.
Streaky
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