VOSA & road traffic cops purge?
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Just read this on another forum, how true is this?
The police in conjuction with VOSA have recently decided to step up their campaign against 'unroadworthy' cars and especially 'modified' cars.
There is a whole points system that they are using to determine how modified your car is and whether your vehicle has changed enough to deem it eligible for an SVA test.
(Ugh! really?)
The modifications that can amount to an SVA are scarily easy to tot up, we're talking about the modifications that we've been able to do for years suddenly landing you in hot water.
And whats more, if they do decide you need an SVA you will be leaving with a Q plate
(FFS!)
I'll try and get a list of the 'points system' and what each modification is worth.
These are uncertain times we're in as car enthusiasts...
(I'll say - if this is correct it's another example of police/government totally unable to hit the real culprits so they aim at easy targets.
Needs a sea change - B. FAST!
A modified car is probably a bl..dy sight safer than the dick driving his 4 year old a-b who doesn't know a cambelt from his trouser belt.
The police in conjuction with VOSA have recently decided to step up their campaign against 'unroadworthy' cars and especially 'modified' cars.
There is a whole points system that they are using to determine how modified your car is and whether your vehicle has changed enough to deem it eligible for an SVA test.
(Ugh! really?)
The modifications that can amount to an SVA are scarily easy to tot up, we're talking about the modifications that we've been able to do for years suddenly landing you in hot water.
And whats more, if they do decide you need an SVA you will be leaving with a Q plate
(FFS!)
I'll try and get a list of the 'points system' and what each modification is worth.
These are uncertain times we're in as car enthusiasts...
(I'll say - if this is correct it's another example of police/government totally unable to hit the real culprits so they aim at easy targets.
Needs a sea change - B. FAST!
A modified car is probably a bl..dy sight safer than the dick driving his 4 year old a-b who doesn't know a cambelt from his trouser belt.
The points system is here...
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
... and a little background reading on what is already being done...
www.nsra.org.uk/editorial13.htm (pics may take a while to load).
Rich
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
... and a little background reading on what is already being done...
www.nsra.org.uk/editorial13.htm (pics may take a while to load).
Rich
Can they not stick to targeting the cars found in Tesco car parks up and down the UK doing doughnuts with their Lexus lights, big bore exhausts on a sewing machine engine and neon lighting.
Of course not. There are cameras outside of Tesco car parks that are used for speed detection. Unfortunatly, the same camera does not offer support to idiot detection.
Leave the serious enthusiast alone.
Of course not. There are cameras outside of Tesco car parks that are used for speed detection. Unfortunatly, the same camera does not offer support to idiot detection.
Leave the serious enthusiast alone.
cen said:
Can they not stick to targeting the cars found in Tesco car parks up and down the UK doing doughnuts with their Lexus lights, big bore exhausts on a sewing machine engine and neon lighting.
Some do. I was out with my local BiB when they specifically targetted 'boy racers' in three different towns the same evening. Various defects were found by VOSA inspectors and a drunk driver was arrested (a middle aged gent in a 4x4).
The problem was, as soon as the first car was stopped, the occupants started texting their mates so within a few minutes most had disappeared so specific targetting operations have limited success.
puffpuff said:
Some do. I was out with my local BiB when they specifically targetted 'boy racers' in three different towns the same evening. Various defects were found by VOSA inspectors and a drunk driver was arrested (a middle aged gent in a 4x4).
The problem was, as soon as the first car was stopped, the occupants started texting their mates so within a few minutes most had disappeared so specific targetting operations have limited success.
Excellent. Wish they would do it around my way. I live in a small village that has one local pub that houses a very popular restaurant. Being in a rural location diners need to drive. The amount of drink driving that I've witnessed is unbelievable. Unfortunately in the fours years that I have lived here I have seen one patrol car. There are no traffic officers in South Wales to uphold the law and ensure justice is served.
Fat Richie said:
The points system is here...
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
There is nothing new to that, I think it came in around 1996.
cen said:
puffpuff said:
Some do. I was out with my local BiB when they specifically targetted 'boy racers' in three different towns the same evening. Various defects were found by VOSA inspectors and a drunk driver was arrested (a middle aged gent in a 4x4).
The problem was, as soon as the first car was stopped, the occupants started texting their mates so within a few minutes most had disappeared so specific targetting operations have limited success.
Excellent. Wish they would do it around my way. I live in a small village that has one local pub that houses a very popular restaurant. Being in a rural location diners need to drive. The amount of drink driving that I've witnessed is unbelievable. Unfortunately in the fours years that I have lived here I have seen one patrol car. There are no traffic officers in South Wales to uphold the law and ensure justice is served.
Have you spoken with your local BiB? I'd be very surprised if they didn't react; especially if you mentioned you'd been in touch with the local press with your concerns.
puffpuff said:
Have you spoken with your local BiB? I'd be very surprised if they didn't react; especially if you mentioned you'd been in touch with the local press with your concerns.
On numerous occasions David. A friend at the Police station is an Inspector and admits to not having the resources to deal with the matter.
It would appear that the BIB are just not interested especially when you notice that serving officers are frequenting the establishment enjoying their fine ales and food. What is required is an investigating journalist to cover such a story highlighting the offences clearly being committed.
cen said:
Can they not stick to targeting the cars found in Tesco car parks up and down the UK doing doughnuts with their Lexus lights, big bore exhausts on a sewing machine engine and neon lighting.
Of course not. There are cameras outside of Tesco car parks that are used for speed detection. Unfortunatly, the same camera does not offer support to idiot detection.
Leave the serious enthusiast alone.
Of course not. There are cameras outside of Tesco car parks that are used for speed detection. Unfortunatly, the same camera does not offer support to idiot detection.
Leave the serious enthusiast alone.
But how do you define the difference? I'm sure a lot of us here have different alloys and larger exhausts. You can't say to someone with a Fiesta their exhasut is too loud, but then ignore a TVR with a sports pack. I hate 1 litre Corsas with fart cans and lexus lights as much as anyone else, but the law must be equal for all!
cen said:
puffpuff said:
Have you spoken with your local BiB? I'd be very surprised if they didn't react; especially if you mentioned you'd been in touch with the local press with your concerns.
On numerous occasions David. A friend at the Police station is an Inspector and admits to not having the resources to deal with the matter.
It would appear that the BIB are just not interested especially when you notice that serving officers are frequenting the establishment enjoying their fine ales and food. What is required is an investigating journalist to cover such a story highlighting the offences clearly being committed.
Well which is it ?
Do they have the resources for it but just aren't intereted, or is it a case that they truely haven't got the resources ?
If it's the former, why do you think your friend on the inside is fibbing to you ?
Also does he/she make a habit of doing that & therefore can't really be considered a friend ?
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 11th March 18:52
cen said:
puffpuff said:
Have you spoken with your local BiB? I'd be very surprised if they didn't react; especially if you mentioned you'd been in touch with the local press with your concerns.
On numerous occasions David. A friend at the Police station is an Inspector and admits to not having the resources to deal with the matter.
It would appear that the BIB are just not interested especially when you notice that serving officers are frequenting the establishment enjoying their fine ales and food. What is required is an investigating journalist to cover such a story highlighting the offences clearly being committed.
I am not sure what you are implying? That supprise supprise rural pubs tend to have higher rates of drink drivers? I could have told you that. Common sense tells you that a pub in the rural is more likely to be frequented by people who will drink and drive. Most police officers know this which is why when you have the resources you do try to target them. If you live in rural Wales I would suggest the number of officers you have on duty is minimal and they are probably covering large geographical area with many such pubs and other porblems to deal with. Thats the reason your frind who is an Inspector gave you the answer he did.
Or are you suggesting some form of corruption? If you are then I think before you start throwing those comments arround you have a lot more firm proof.
mr_annie_vxr said:
cen said:
puffpuff said:
Have you spoken with your local BiB? I'd be very surprised if they didn't react; especially if you mentioned you'd been in touch with the local press with your concerns.
On numerous occasions David. A friend at the Police station is an Inspector and admits to not having the resources to deal with the matter.
It would appear that the BIB are just not interested especially when you notice that serving officers are frequenting the establishment enjoying their fine ales and food. What is required is an investigating journalist to cover such a story highlighting the offences clearly being committed.
I am not sure what you are implying? That surprise surprise rural pubs tend to have higher rates of drink drivers? I could have told you that. Common sense tells you that a pub in the rural is more likely to be frequented by people who will drink and drive. Most police officers know this which is why when you have the resources you do try to target them. If you live in rural Wales I would suggest the number of officers you have on duty is minimal and they are probably covering large geographical area with many such pubs and other problems to deal with. That's the reason your friend who is an Inspector gave you the answer he did.
Or are you suggesting some form of corruption? If you are then I think before you start throwing those comments around you have a lot more firm proof.
Exactly, which is why I have suggested that the situation would require investigated journalism
cen said:
mr_annie_vxr said:
cen said:
puffpuff said:
Have you spoken with your local BiB? I'd be very surprised if they didn't react; especially if you mentioned you'd been in touch with the local press with your concerns.
On numerous occasions David. A friend at the Police station is an Inspector and admits to not having the resources to deal with the matter.
It would appear that the BIB are just not interested especially when you notice that serving officers are frequenting the establishment enjoying their fine ales and food. What is required is an investigating journalist to cover such a story highlighting the offences clearly being committed.
I am not sure what you are implying? That surprise surprise rural pubs tend to have higher rates of drink drivers? I could have told you that. Common sense tells you that a pub in the rural is more likely to be frequented by people who will drink and drive. Most police officers know this which is why when you have the resources you do try to target them. If you live in rural Wales I would suggest the number of officers you have on duty is minimal and they are probably covering large geographical area with many such pubs and other problems to deal with. That's the reason your friend who is an Inspector gave you the answer he did.
Or are you suggesting some form of corruption? If you are then I think before you start throwing those comments around you have a lot more firm proof.
Exactly, which is why I have suggested that the situation would require investigated journalism
As I said which of the two are you suggesting as the reason?
puffpuff said:
cen said:
Can they not stick to targeting the cars found in Tesco car parks up and down the UK doing doughnuts with their Lexus lights, big bore exhausts on a sewing machine engine and neon lighting.
Some do. I was out with my local BiB when they specifically targetted 'boy racers' in three different towns the same evening. Various defects were found by VOSA inspectors and a drunk driver was arrested (a middle aged gent in a 4x4).
The problem was, as soon as the first car was stopped, the occupants started texting their mates so within a few minutes most had disappeared so specific targetting operations have limited success.
Would you not say that the fact that they dispersed meant that it was a success. What are you wanting them to stop, kids tearing around a car park, or are you suggesting that it should be illegal to have modifications to a non-sports car?
driver gez said:
puffpuff said:
cen said:
Can they not stick to targeting the cars found in Tesco car parks up and down the UK doing doughnuts with their Lexus lights, big bore exhausts on a sewing machine engine and neon lighting.
Some do. I was out with my local BiB when they specifically targetted 'boy racers' in three different towns the same evening. Various defects were found by VOSA inspectors and a drunk driver was arrested (a middle aged gent in a 4x4).
The problem was, as soon as the first car was stopped, the occupants started texting their mates so within a few minutes most had disappeared so specific targetting operations have limited success.
Would you not say that the fact that they dispersed meant that it was a success. What are you wanting them to stop, kids tearing around a car park, or are you suggesting that it should be illegal to have modifications to a non-sports car?
The police operation dispersed them for a short time on one evening only. Within a few minutes of the police and VOSA team moving to the next town, the boy racers were back.
I don't understand your question about modifications as I didn't mention them. As far as I'm concerned owners can do whatever they like to their car provided it's safe and insured. It's up to the individual whether they want to look a total d*ckh**d or not.
driver gez said:
dandarez said:
The police in conjuction with VOSA have recently decided to step up their campaign against 'unroadworthy' cars and especially 'modified' cars.
Isn't that what the MOT is for?
The MOT doesn't mean that a vehicle is road legal. It is a test of limited scope, not covering all aspects of con & use or lighting regs etc.
vonhosen said:
driver gez said:
dandarez said:
The police in conjuction with VOSA have recently decided to step up their campaign against 'unroadworthy' cars and especially 'modified' cars.
Isn't that what the MOT is for?
The MOT doesn't mean that a vehicle is road legal. It is a test of limited scope, not covering all aspects of con & use or lighting regs etc.
Whether the MOT test is of limited scope is irrelevent. They already have a test that all cars over 3 years old must pass to show that they are roadworthy. I suggest that they would be better off amending the MOT regs if they are not sufficient, rather than introducing a new test which may make some modified sportscars get re-licenced on a q-plate. I would assume that this would also have implicaitons for many kit cars. How does this make them any safer or more road worthy? I have no problem with making sure that a car is safe and roadworthy, just with the implications of the proposed new test.
driver gez said:
vonhosen said:
driver gez said:
dandarez said:
The police in conjuction with VOSA have recently decided to step up their campaign against 'unroadworthy' cars and especially 'modified' cars.
Isn't that what the MOT is for?
The MOT doesn't mean that a vehicle is road legal. It is a test of limited scope, not covering all aspects of con & use or lighting regs etc.
Whether the MOT test is of limited scope is irrelevent. They already have a test that all cars over 3 years old must pass to show that they are roadworthy. I suggest that they would be better off amending the MOT regs if they are not sufficient, rather than introducing a new test which may make some modified sportscars get re-licenced on a q-plate. I would assume that this would also have implicaitons for many kit cars. How does this make them any safer or more road worthy? I have no problem with making sure that a car is safe and roadworthy, just with the implications of the proposed new test.
It isn't irrelevant.
The MOT test is only a test of roadworthyness in regard to the items listed for testing & to the extent which they are to be tested.
If you want to substantially change a vehicle from the original manufacturers specs, then I happen to think it appropriate that those changes be monitored & checked by VOSA.
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