New twist on APNR

[Dwight VanDriver]

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[thinfourth]

Can see no problems with that

[smeggy]

So the ANPR system really does log car usage, even non-offenders! I can foresee some people screaming 'privacy'.

Was the ANPR equipment just ANPR or was it SPECS? (which is based on ANPR)

[vonhosen]

All PNC checks are logged & recorded (who checked what, where, when & why), so it would follow that the data is retained.

Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 15th March 09:02

[spokey]

smeggy said:

So the ANPR system really does log car usage, even non-offenders! I can foresee some people screaming 'privacy'.

Was the ANPR equipment just ANPR or was it SPECS? (which is based on ANPR)

I've been screaming "privacy" since day one. They will be trawling this data for all sorts of things in the future.

But of course, if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear, eh?

[mr_annie_vxr]

spokey said:

smeggy said:

So the ANPR system really does log car usage, even non-offenders! I can foresee some people screaming 'privacy'.

Was the ANPR equipment just ANPR or was it SPECS? (which is based on ANPR)

I've been screaming "privacy" since day one. They will be trawling this data for all sorts of things in the future.

But of course, if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear, eh?

Every vehicle going through anpr is as VH said logged in the system. The positive impact far outweights the negative. So far some very serious serial offenders have been caught thanks to this system. On balance compared to some of these crimes my number plate being retained is a minor thing.

[chrispy porker]

not much different from PNC logs.

[BigBob]

Yet another step down the road towards a Big Brother State.

Time methinks to report my car as being cloned - just in case you know ........

BB

[mr_annie_vxr]

BigBob said:

Yet another step down the road towards a Big Brother State.

Time methinks to report my car as being cloned - just in case you know ........

BB

In case your a suspected rapist or sex offender ot are involved in crime? When you now someone who has the offender for there crime caught and convicted because of this technology then you may change your mind.

This government can barely organise itself, ideas of a big brother state are probably further away than ever.

[MilnerR]

mr_annie_vxr said:

In case your a suspected rapist or sex offender ot are involved in crime? When you now someone who has the offender for there crime caught and convicted because of this technology then you may change your mind.

This government can barely organise itself, ideas of a big brother state are probably further away than ever.

ANPR, is a remarkable technology and is no different from a van full of plod sitting at the side of the road with a laptop each and a pair of binoculars. If the technology can be used to improve the lot of the average law abiding sperson then all to the good. However the concern is that any sort of monitoring or general invasion of privacy alway impacts the average law abiding citizen more than the crooks it is designed to catch.

[Parrot of Doom]

As long as there is strict governance on how that information is used, I can see the benefits.

I have my doubts about the state's ability to restrain itself with that information. They already want shut of Habeas Corpus, and thats been a point of law for centuries.

[jasandjules]

Parrot of Doom said:

As long as there is strict governance on how that information is used, I can see the benefits.

Sadly, the state cannot be trusted, as has been shown in the past.

Innocent people still had their DNA logged despite the opposite being the policy.
Guantanamo Bay, a complete disregard for the rule of law.
Speed Camera photos, plead guilty before you get to see the evidence
Phone tapping, unless you are an MP
No smoking in public building, unless you are an MP
Weapons of Mass Destruction which appear to be invisible.


This Govt is not to be trusted on anything.

[chrisgr31]

The issue comes when the ANPR technology is used to find you were at point A at 10am and Point B 80 miles away at 11am, and hence a speeding ticket follows.

Its plainly obvious that the police have been using CCTV etc for some time to track cars, due to the speed they are catching some villians, in partcular I seem to recall some who were involved in a case involing murdering a police officer.

However there is a danger that rather than just being used for cases where to public will support its use, it will be used for everything.

[black-k1]

ANPR automatically logging your movements is, on it’s own, not a serious concern.

Roadside fingerprinting than for no other reason than simply being suspected of doing something ‘iffy’, again not a serious concern.

CCTV cameras in every high street –not a serious concern.

Country wide DNA database – not a serious concern.

Add them all together – major worry!

Do we really want all this information in the hands of the ‘shambles’ who have spent the last 10 years
- showing us how their speed camera policy is saving lives
- telling us there are weapons of mass destruction just 45 minutes away
- letting foreign criminals out to wander the country at will
- telling judges to not jail prisoners as they haven’t built enough jails
- telling us how corrupt the last lot were to then ‘hide’ £m as loans they can’t afford to pay
etc.

Not me – thank you very much and, other than a few runs over the speed limit, I really do have nothing to hide!

[BigBob]

mr_annie_vxr said:

BigBob said:

Yet another step down the road towards a Big Brother State.

Time methinks to report my car as being cloned - just in case you know ........

BB

This government can barely organise itself, ideas of a big brother state are probably further away than ever.

And that is exactly my worry - the government CAN NOT be trusted with all this personal information.

The way they are trying to steer things will lodge all the info about us in a 'personal file' - great until things go wrong. And go wrong they will - when has a government IT project ever worked on time/on budget/as it's supposed to?

We've all got examples of the government getting our personal information either lost/misplaced or just plain wrong.

We've all spoken to various government departments and had 'head-banging' sessions trying to get information from/give information to some of the drongos employed there. Would you trust them with getting your data right?

What worries me is not what they know about me - it's what they think they know about me.

How many times have we seen dawn raids on houses of suspected 'terrorists' based on government intelligence only to find afterwards the whole thing was a massive cock-up.

Sorry, I will fight any move towards a Big Brother state with every tool available to me.


BB

[streaky]

mr_annie_vxr said:

spokey said:

smeggy said:

So the ANPR system really does log car usage, even non-offenders! I can foresee some people screaming 'privacy'.

Was the ANPR equipment just ANPR or was it SPECS? (which is based on ANPR)

I've been screaming "privacy" since day one. They will be trawling this data for all sorts of things in the future.

But of course, if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear, eh?

Every vehicle going through anpr is as VH said logged in the system. The positive impact far outweights the negative. So far some very serious serial offenders have been caught thanks to this system. On balance compared to some of these crimes my number plate being retained is a minor thing.

I give up. You just can't (or won't) see the potential for abuse, can you? (www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=367697&f=10&h=0) - Streaky

[7db]

mr_annie_vxr said:

The positive impact far outweights the negative.

Who makes that judgement?

[trackcar]

black-k1 said:

ANPR automatically logging your movements is, on it’s own, not a serious concern.

Roadside fingerprinting than for no other reason than simply being suspected of doing something ‘iffy’, again not a serious concern.

CCTV cameras in every high street –not a serious concern.

Country wide DNA database – not a serious concern.

Add them all together – major worry!

Surely the other way around?

If all the information is used (especially the DNA bit) then it would prove that you were definately NOT the suspect who commited a crime? .. otherwise a single piece of evidence (your cloned car was at the scene.. etc) may be used as evidence to arrest an otherwise innocent party?

[fluffnik]

vonhosen said:

All PNC checks are logged & recorded (who checked what, where, when & why), so it would follow that the data is retained.

...if it's being managed by the Stazi.