6000 cops quit
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Am I missing something here? 2 to 3 thousand or so per year out of 145,000 (less than 2%) seems a staggeringly low turnover to me.
Car related comparision - BMW UK's MD recently complained that 30% of BMW dealer salespeople leave every year. On average, their entire salesforce changes every 3 years.
Car related comparision - BMW UK's MD recently complained that 30% of BMW dealer salespeople leave every year. On average, their entire salesforce changes every 3 years.
I think this is something of a Daily Express crisis.
The fact is, Police Officers always moan that things were not as good as they were x years ago.
I would agree with many sentiments, but I think a lot of the apparent 'disillusionment' is a general frustration with the amount of change the service has had to deal with in the last 10 years or so. I blame the Labour Party for much of it. E.g. the total hash they made of proposed force mergers, the never ending stream of rushed, poorly thought out knee-jerk pieces of legislation. I could go on...
Also, the government have fought us on our pay review mechanism (that'll go next time after the goverment hold their 'independent' review). All this on top of watering down the police pension for those who joined post April 2005, and the introduction of PCSOs, which many see (rightly or wrongly - I make no judgement) as policing on the cheap.
I've not done badly, Inspecting rank relatively young, but if I could turn the clock back to being a new graduate, would I still join? On reflection, probably not.
The fact is, Police Officers always moan that things were not as good as they were x years ago.
I would agree with many sentiments, but I think a lot of the apparent 'disillusionment' is a general frustration with the amount of change the service has had to deal with in the last 10 years or so. I blame the Labour Party for much of it. E.g. the total hash they made of proposed force mergers, the never ending stream of rushed, poorly thought out knee-jerk pieces of legislation. I could go on...
Also, the government have fought us on our pay review mechanism (that'll go next time after the goverment hold their 'independent' review). All this on top of watering down the police pension for those who joined post April 2005, and the introduction of PCSOs, which many see (rightly or wrongly - I make no judgement) as policing on the cheap.
I've not done badly, Inspecting rank relatively young, but if I could turn the clock back to being a new graduate, would I still join? On reflection, probably not.
xxplod said:
[ ... ] I would agree with many sentiments, but I think a lot of the apparent 'disillusionment' is a general frustration with the amount of change the service has had to deal with in the last 10 years or so.
This being one of the core changes. "Service" - to whom? The criminals mostly, and the politicians next. Jo Public ... not a chance! - Streaky WeirdNeville said:
You read the wrong papers.....
Ja.. but ist a right sassy read at times. I happen to like Littlejohn in the Waily ... he has such a way with words
But of the paper.. Manchester press reported that GMP would lose over 200 officers to balance books und keep within budget
Cumbria will lose 70 officers .. as in not bother to replace when leave or retire for similar reasons.
Durham ist freezing some recruitment ..
All complain via spokesmen to the regional press that they have cash ringmarked for plastics ... btu cannot afford proper ones ...
ist not the same thing as 6000 leaving cos they hate the
job these days ..though I think red tape.. pee cee nonsense .. targets doees disillusion und demotivate some of this number. But has to do with juggling budgets as well. 
Und we want more cops... und paid the going rate too. 
deva link said:
Am I missing something here? 2 to 3 thousand or so per year out of 145,000 (less than 2%) seems a staggeringly low turnover to me.
In terms of average "jobs" yes it is low. However, in terms of a service that has traditionally provided long term career positions with excellent pension prospects etc. it's not so good. People don't usually join the police just to keep the wolf from the door until something better comes along as with many jobs.
MR2Mike said:
deva link said:
Am I missing something here? 2 to 3 thousand or so per year out of 145,000 (less than 2%) seems a staggeringly low turnover to me.
In terms of average "jobs" yes it is low. However, in terms of a service that has traditionally provided long term career positions with excellent pension prospects etc. it's not so good. People don't usually join the police just to keep the wolf from the door until something better comes along as with many jobs.
I realise my comparison was an extreme and I'm sure that many of the BMW salespeople leave to similar jobs elsewhere.
However I still think 2% is astonishingly low - in teaching, for example, it's around 10% (that's teachers leaving the profession, not switching schools).
vonhosen said:
A lot will be natural wasteage. In the next few years you can expect large numbers to be coming up for retirement age, due to large intakes following Edmund-Davies in 1978.
About 145,000 of the number quoted are Police officers.
About 145,000 of the number quoted are Police officers.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 10th April 20:37
It's a bit of weasley words isn't it?"Record number in the force" and nearly half are civvies.Has this %age changed much historically?
esselte said:
vonhosen said:
A lot will be natural wasteage. In the next few years you can expect large numbers to be coming up for retirement age, due to large intakes following Edmund-Davies in 1978.
About 145,000 of the number quoted are Police officers.
About 145,000 of the number quoted are Police officers.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 10th April 20:37
It's a bit of weasley words isn't it?"Record number in the force" and nearly half are civvies.Has this %age changed much historically?
In the late 90's "officer" numbers were in decline.
That changed in 2001 with an increase of 1,512
2002 saw a further increase of 3,921
2003 a further increase of 4,847
2004 a further increase of 6,136
2005 a further increase of 2,298
2006 a further increase of 387
so "officer" numbers have increased.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 11th April 20:43
vonhosen said:
esselte said:
vonhosen said:
A lot will be natural wasteage. In the next few years you can expect large numbers to be coming up for retirement age, due to large intakes following Edmund-Davies in 1978.
About 145,000 of the number quoted are Police officers.
About 145,000 of the number quoted are Police officers.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 10th April 20:37
It's a bit of weasley words isn't it?"Record number in the force" and nearly half are civvies.Has this %age changed much historically?
In the late 90's "officer" numbers were in decline.
That changed in 2001 with an increase of 1,512
2002 saw a further increase of 3,921
2003 a further increase of 4,847
2004 a further increase of 6,136
2005 a further increase of 2,298
2006 a further increase of 387
so "officer" numbers have increased.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 11th April 20:43
What about civvies?
Dibble said:
chrispy porker said:
I haven't got any figures but I Can say there are loads more of them than a few years ago.
PCSO's in particular.
This is not all bad news, as I may want a job myself when I retire ( NOT as a PCSO though)
PCSO's in particular.
This is not all bad news, as I may want a job myself when I retire ( NOT as a PCSO though)
Camera technician?
Well they are hiring at our local Jessops.
Oh... I see what you mean, I'm easily confused you know.
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